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    Quote Originally Posted by Negah View Post
    Persians, Kurds, Lurs, North Iranians, Arab Iranians, Azerbaijanis are like siblings, 1st cousins, and 2nd cousins genetically. They are for the most part similar but they also have inputs from other groups, nonetheless, they still form a Central Iranian Cluster as the study indicates.

    Turkmen, Pashtuns, Balochis, Tajiks, Sistranis and Persian Gulf Islanders are like 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins 4th cousins and distant cousins who still share many genetic aspects with the Central Iranian Cluster that forms the larger group among western Iranian groups; however, they have larger inputs from other groups. Eastern Iranian Plateau is not as cohesive as the west. It has had a much more turbulent history too.
    In summary, Iranians feature distinct genetic variability, resulting from long-standing genetic continuity, as well as substantial genetic heterogeneity and can, thus, not be treated as a single homogeneous entity. Future human genetic studies have to consider ethnic affiliations for sampling and analyses and should expect widespread admixture in both extant and ancient samples. The observed concordance between genetic diversity and geographic location and examples of lineage break up between language and genetic proximity are consistent with the archeological and historical evidence on Iran as occupying a stretch of land that has seen multiple migration and admixture events in the past millennia. By providing genome-wide population data for Western Asia, thereby filling a lack that has characterized this region for over a decade despite its known diversity and prominent place in human history, we hope to encourage future population genetic, evolutionary and medical studies in Iran and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulunulu View Post
    Best part is you could even fit easily in one of them
    Cool, thats the best part

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hajimurad View Post
    Iranid and Nordoid are long-headed types similar to European Mediterraneans and Nordics but Pamirid is an round-headed similar to Alpine type of Central Europe.
    Stop with your bullshit. Most persians are not horse faced rather robust oval faced with medium width like me. Very horse faced gracile individuals like ugly europeans are not so common.
    And no Iranid isn’t similar to meds, maybe only in skull measurements in some way, but not in facial features. Iranics are better looking brown people than ugly euro/arab meds.

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    Iranian Gilaks, Kurds, Mazanderanis and Sistanis, revealed the distinct and rich genetic diversity of the Iranian population, corroborating previous reports based on uniparental markers. The majority of Iran’s ethnic groups comprise largely overlapping genetic autosomal diversity, implicating a shared and largely autochthonous ancestry, designated as the Central Iranian Cluster (CIC). Notably, the CIC also includes Iranian Arabs and Azeris (Fig 1) as well as the religious group of Zoroastrians (Fig 3), being consistent with the suggestion that Zoroastrians have lived in the area of present-day Iran for millennia and had formed an early group of Indo-European speakers. Still, the CIC comprised substantial internal structure, with pairwise FST values up to an order of magnitude higher than those for more homogeneous populations of similar population size, such as Germany [117], but below the level of substructure reported for Europe, Central Asia, the Near East or Southeast Asia as a whole [45] and much lower than for neighboring Armenia in the Caucasus [118]. Iranian Baluchis, Sistanis, Turkmen and Persian Gulf Islanders showed strong admixture, with the CIC (or its ancestral population) consistently contributing to all of them and contributions from different respective ‘opposite’ ancestral populations, evidencing CIC’s strong impact on human demography in this world region[

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    Distinct genetic diversity and substantial heterogeneity
    The 11 included Iranian ethnic groups featured distinct and substantial genetic heterogeneity (Fig 1A). Seven groups (Iranian Arabs, Azeris, Gilaks, Kurds, Mazanderanis, Lurs and Persians) strongly overlapped in their overall autosomal diversity in an MDS analysis (Fig 1B), suggesting the existence of a Central Iranian Cluster (CIC), notably also including Iranian Arabs and Azeris. The other four groups (Iranian Baluchis, Persian Gulf (PG) Islanders, Sistanis and Turkmen) presented as strongly admixed populations with contributions by different ancestral populations but always with an orientation towards the CIC, being strikingly different from the CIC and from each other, except for Baluchis and Sistanis who partially overlapped (Fig 1A). On a global scale (Fig 2 including “Old World” populations only; see S2 Fig for all 1000G populations), CIC Iranians closely clustered with Europeans, while Iranian Turkmen showed similar yet distinct degrees of admixture compared to other South Asians. The degree was less pronounced for Baluchis, Sistanis and PG Islanders, with the latter showing a pointed orientation towards Sub-Saharan Africans and a co-localization with numerous Latin American samples. Notably, Iranian Arabs now showed some detachment from the CIC towards Sub-Saharan populations. A local comparison corroborated the distinct genetic diversity of CIC Iranians relative to other geographically close populations [2, 6, 44] (Fig 3 and S3 Fig). Strikingly, the relative genetic location of the Iranian ethnic groups mirrored their geographic location at the nexus between South and Central Asia and West Asia, Northern Africa and the Caucasus. Iranian Baluchis and Sistanis clustered with or nearby Pakistani and other South Asian populations, whereas Iranian Turkmen located next or atop Central Asian populations, respectively. Iranian Arabs appeared distinct from other Arab populations in West Asia and Northern Africa. Furthermore, Zoroastrian samples [6] located as essential CIC members. These results were closely mirrored by the pairwise fixation index (FST) values (Table 2 and S5 Table). CIC groups showed little differentiation (FST~0.0008–0.0033), whereas non-CIC groups consistently yielded much larger values, most extreme for PG Islanders vs Iranian Turkmen (FST = 0.0110). Still, genetic substructure was much smaller among Iranian groups than in relation to any of the 1000G populations, supporting the view that the CIC groups form a distinct genetic entity, despite internal heterogeneity. European (FST~0.0105–0.0294), South Asians (FST~0.0141–0.0338), but also some Latin American populations (Puerto Ricans: FST~0.0153–0.0228; Colombians: FST~0.0170–0.0261) were closest to Iranians, whereas Sub-Saharan Africans and admixed Afro-Americans (FST~0.0764–0.1424) as well as East Asians (FST ~ 0.0645–0.1055) showed large degrees of differentiation with Iranians. If not corrected for, the observed degree of population substructure could severely confound population-based genetic association studies in Iran. In the extreme scenario of cases being sampled exclusively from one ethnic group and controls from another, CIC groups would yield moderate, although still problematic, genomic inflation factor (GIF) values (1.17–1.61), whereas non-CIC groups may yield values up to 3.0 (Table 2).

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    The paper also states Iran is much more homogeneous than Near East, Europe, Central Asian and SE Asia. However, it is not as homogeneous as Germans in Germany or British people in Britan. Iran is larger than all of western Europe combined. It is the 17th largest country in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritz06 View Post
    The highlands of Iran have been at the crossroads of human migrations [1–6] since the dispersal of modern humans out of Africa due to their geostrategic position. While exercising a strong cultural influence on neighboring regions, Iran has also repeatedly received migratory influx in the past millennia. Among others, this includes the successive southward migration of groups of Indo-European (IE) language speakers (e.g. Scythians, Medes and Persians) [7], the Arab arrival in the 7th century CE and the later influx of Turkic-speaking people from Central Asia. As a result of migrations, internal splits, admixture and other movements, today’s Iranian population comprises numerous ethnic, religious and linguistic groups (S1 Appendix, S1 Fig), prominently including Persians (65% in 2008 [8]), Iranian Azeris (16%), Iranian Kurds (7%), Iranian Lurs (6%), Iranian Arabs (2%), Iranian Baluchis (2%), Iranian Turkmen (1%), Qashqai and other Turkish-language tribal groups (1%) as well as Armenians, Assyrians, Georgians, Jews, Zoroastrians (all <1%) and others, although definitions [9] and reported proportions vary between sources (e.g. [10–12]). Speakers of an Iranian, i.e. Indo-European, language or language dialect (e.g. Persian, Kurdish, Luri, Baluchi) by far outnumber speakers of either a Turkic or Semitic language.
    What is your point? I have said all that. You can simply check my previous posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negah View Post
    The paper also states Iran is much more homogeneous than Near East, Europe, Central Asian and SE Asia. However, it is not as homogeneous as Germans in Germany or British people in Britan. Iran is larger than all of western Europe combined. It is the 17th largest country in the world.
    Iranian population also shows massive genetic continuity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negah View Post
    What is your point? I have said all that. You can simply check my previous posts.
    well, sorry for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulunulu View Post
    Interesting....

    I think i look rather more paki IRL. But i guess thats just because some people havent seen iranians before and kurds kind of look a bit different from iranians tbh(then again, theyre mostly from turkey and i even got asked by a kurdish janitor that i speak kurdish or arabic)

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