Why/how were Early Neolithic Farmers cucked by WHG?

[War Chef]

30% of neolithic blood in England, it's pretty huge...

I think the big winner are the Indo-Europeans and the Neolithic farmers, the WHG are the losers.

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how Indo-Europeans were mostly EHG themselves, which is in turn the reason why Norwegians/Finns/Estonians come out as the most "Yamanya" related, because Yamnaya were similar to WHG's albeit some southern CHG stuff

[War Chef]

All the neolithic noble lines were I, look at all the tombs.

Yes I agree. Not being a male I'm not being a rooster about this. I just find it interesting that the farmers in the North had a HG ydna.

Neolithic farmers being fanatical animists would've willingly appointed blue eyed Mesolithics, because their blue eyes were thought to be magical, kind of similar to Cortez in the new world but with blue eyes (the color of water, which was very sacred to Neolithic farmers as their settlements were exclusively located on rivers). So, It wasn't that Mesolithics conquered them in any way (lol, lets not even get into the demographics) it was just a social status thing.

[War Chef]

this was disproven, Anatolian farmers were a thing of their own, and they spread from there and "conquered" whg's to the west and some proto-Natufians to the south

Even the tree branches show WHG and EEF closely related, or at least splitting very recently. Where do you think WHG's came from when they were in Spain and the Balkans waiting for the ice to melt? They came from Anatolia but had been in Europe for long enough that they became distinct seperate group, but nothing insanely long (10 or 20 thousand years).

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.9444% / 0.01944360
36.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
35.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia


Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 2.3369% / 0.02336880 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 POL_Globular_Amphora
20.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
13.8 Anatolia_Barcin_C

It's interesting that you get both GAC and Barcin. If GAC is there I don't get any Barcin. I think it is because Bell Beakers that came to UK/Ireland got their farmer component from GAC. Well I think that's already well known.

[Grace O'Malley]

Neolithic farmers being fanatical animists would've willingly appointed blue eyed Mesolithics, because their blue eyes were thought to be magical, kind of similar to Cortez in the new world but with blue eyes (the color of water, which was very sacred to Neolithic farmers as their settlements were exclusively located on rivers). So, It wasn't that Mesolithics conquered them in any way (lol, lets not even get into the demographics) it was just a social status thing.

So the ladies liked those baby blues. It is an interesting question though and as Daco said I'm sure demographics played their part as well. Still no other ydna but I so what happened to the farmer males?

[Dick]

It's interesting that you get both GAC and Barcin. If GAC is there I don't get any Barcin. I think it is because Bell Beakers that came to UK/Ireland got their farmer component from GAC. Well I think that's already well known.

Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Corded_Ware_Baltic_early,0.1282407,0.0927517,0.0532997,0.113912,-0.0097453,0.0495493,0.004935,0.005923,-0.0384503,-0.0592267,-0.0081733,0.0007493,0.0020813,-0.0161937,0.0326183,0.0147173,-0.0001303,-0.0016047,-0.0010053,0.0072117,-0.0081523,0.0009067,0.0088327,0.0211273,-0.0004393
POL_Globular_Amphora,0.1271973,0.168324,0.0609995,-0.0183302,0.0864008,-0.0204288,0.0024088,0.0058265,0.0526138,0.0743065,-0.000893,0.0118022,-0.020775,-0.01187,-0.0084482,0.0026518,0.0098768,0.005986,0.0049968,0.0013758,0.0063325,0.0073572,-0.0100448,-0.0207862,-0.001467
UKR_Globular_Amphora,0.1229287,0.1689163,0.0605907,-0.0204567,0.0829897,-0.014967,-0.00188,0.003538,0.052017,0.0724693,-0.0002707,0.0051953,-0.0175917,-0.001468,-0.0099073,-0.0019007,0.0051283,0.0057433,0.0051537,-0.0046273,0.0087343,0.0048227,-0.0170493,-0.0229753,0.003233

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.1516% / 0.03151643
54.6 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
28.6 POL_Globular_Amphora
16.8 UKR_Globular_Amphora

[War Chef]

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....unter-Gatherer

Clust very close to Sardinians...

yep
all of Europe was once Sardinian-like

As I've been saying for ages but got laughed at here. Sardinians are just the same as modern Anatolians/Levant, only I thought it was genetic drift when it's actually something else that Davidski describes here:

[War Chef]

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....unter-Gatherer

Clust very close to Sardinians...

So the ladies liked those baby blues. It is an interesting question though and as Daco said I'm sure demographics played their part as well. Still no other ydna but I so what happened to the farmer males?

I'd like to know as well. It definitley wasn't war with the scantly populated Mesolithics. The only threat to farmers was other farmers themselves, as evidenced by the herxheim mass genocide LBK culture site:

The human remains were primarily shattered and dispersed within the pits, rarely intact or in anatomical position. Using a quantification process known as "minimum number of individuals" (MNI), researchers concluded that the site contained at least 500 individual humans ranging from newborns to the elderly.[1] However, "since the area excavated corresponds to barely half the enclosure, we can assume that in fact more than 1000 individuals were involved".[1] The deposition of the human remains occurred only within the final 50 years of occupation at the site.

A 2009[1] study confirmed many findings from the 2006 study, but added new information. In just one pit deposit, this study found 1906 bones and bone fragments from at least 10 individuals ranging from newborns to adults. At least 359 individual skeletal elements were identified. This in-depth study revealed many more cut, impact, and bite marks made upon the skulls and post-cranial skeletal elements.[1] It was apparent that parts of the humans' bodies were singled out for their marrow content, suggesting cannibalization (see Hypotheses).

Of particular note from both studies[1][2] was the peculiar treatment of the humans' skulls. Many skulls were treated in a similar manner: skulls were struck on "the sagittal line, splitting faces, mandibles, and skull caps into symmetrical halves".[2] A few skulls were clearly skinned prior to being struck, again, all in the same manner: "horizontal cuts above the orbits, vertical cuts along the sagittal suture, and oblique cuts in the parietals".[2]

The vault of the skull was preserved and shaped into what is referred to as a calotte (calvarium). During this process the brain, which is a source of dietary fat, may have been extracted. Additionally, a later study revealed that the tongues of humans were removed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxhe...ological_site)

[Dick]

So the ladies liked those baby blues. It is an interesting question though and as Daco said I'm sure demographics played their part as well. Still no other ydna but I so what happened to the farmer males?

According to British anthropologists there were only a few thousand Hunter gatherers in Stone Age Britain. The ratio of women to men was probably high also.

As I've been saying for ages but got laughed at here. Sardinians are just the same as modern Anatolians/Levant, only I thought it was genetic drift when it's actually something else that Davidski describes here:

I believe the scientists from a Uni, in that case we all plot more eastern than expected also due to Eastern Steppe as well then?

[andre]

For me the distance is not so good

Target: Andrei_scaled
Distance: 4.3452% / 0.04345160 | ADC: 0.25x
35.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
25.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
22.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

Target: Andrei_scaled
Distance: 3.9100% / 0.03910049
53.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
24.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
12.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.2 Baltic_LVA_HG