Serbian Autosomal DNA

**vbnetkhio** · 01-26-2020, 08:59 AM

k13 average of 100 Serbs and Montenegrins

North_Atlantic	25.05
Baltic	28.72
West_Med	17.20
West_Asian	9.01
East_Med	16.08
Red_Sea	1.66
South_Asian	0.33
East_Asian	0.31
Siberian	0.78
Amerindian	0.39
Oceanian	0.30
Northeast_African	0.09
Sub-Saharan	0.05

ranges:

_	MIN	MAX
North_Atlantic	18.23	32.83
Baltic	21.88	34.12
West_Med	12.09	21.46
West_Asian	2.29	14.05
East_Med	10.34	22.65
Red_Sea	0	5.46
South_Asian	0	2.91
East_Asian	0	1.79
Siberian	0	2.67
Amerindian	0	2.13
Oceanian	0	1.51
Northeast_African	0	1.35
Sub-Saharan	0	0.64

notice how the major admixtures all have 10-ish ranges

**Leto** · 01-26-2020, 09:36 AM

So there was a Serb with 34% Baltic? That's a damn relict individual unless mixed with some minority ancestry like Hungarians or Rusyns.

**~~Bosniensis~~** · 01-26-2020, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

So there was a Serb with 34% Baltic? That's a damn relict individual unless mixed with some minority ancestry like Hungarians or Rusyns.

Some balkanites tend to have higher Baltic score, but that's on individual level depending on how much they mixed with more slavic influenced people.

**vbnetkhio** · 01-26-2020, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

So there was a Serb with 34% Baltic? That's a damn relict individual unless mixed with some minority ancestry like Hungarians or Rusyns.

She is 1/2 Herzegovinian Serb+1/2 Bosnian Serb. CommonSense found her and posted her k15 some time ago, i didn't check her k13 until yesterday.

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	34.12
2	North_Atlantic	25.23
3	West_Med	18.44
4	East_Med	17.45
5	West_Asian	2.29
6	Red_Sea	1.36
7	Siberian	0.83
8	Amerindian	0.2
9	Northeast_African	0.08

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Serbian	9.25
2	Croatian	9.53
3	Moldavian	9.54
4	Hungarian	11.31
5	Romanian	11.65
6	Bulgarian	12.79
7	Ukrainian_Lviv	14.58
8	Austrian	14.67
9	South_Polish	14.93
10	Ukrainian	14.97
11	East_German	15.08
12	Polish	17.9
13	Southwest_Russian	18.17
14	Ukrainian_Belgorod	19.1
15	Estonian_Polish	19.62
16	Russian_Smolensk	19.78
17	Greek_Thessaly	20.05
18	Belorussian	20.21
19	West_German	20.85
20	North_Italian	21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	55.1%	Estonian_Polish	+	44.9%	Tuscan	@	6.4
2	 	58.8%	Estonian_Polish	+	41.2%	West_Sicilian	@	6.43
3	 	72%	Ukrainian	+	28%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.52
4	 	72.1%	Ukrainian	+	27.9%	Italian_Jewish	@	6.55
5	 	65.3%	Estonian_Polish	+	34.7%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.65
6	 	65.3%	Estonian_Polish	+	34.7%	Italian_Jewish	@	6.66
7	 	58%	Belorussian	+	42%	West_Sicilian	@	6.67
8	 	71.1%	Southwest_Russian	+	28.9%	Sardinian	@	6.7
9	 	52.6%	Lithuanian	+	47.4%	West_Sicilian	@	6.71
10	 	51.2%	Tuscan	+	48.8%	Lithuanian	@	6.72
11	 	54.3%	Belorussian	+	45.7%	Tuscan	@	6.72
12	 	67.4%	Ukrainian	+	32.6%	Ashkenazi	@	6.74
13	 	50.6%	Estonian_Polish	+	49.4%	Greek_Thessaly	@	6.79
14	 	64.5%	Belorussian	+	35.5%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.82
15	 	67.7%	Polish	+	32.3%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.83
16	 	50.2%	Greek_Thessaly	+	49.8%	Belorussian	@	6.84
17	 	59.8%	Estonian	+	40.2%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.86
18	 	66.5%	Ukrainian	+	33.5%	West_Sicilian	@	6.92
19	 	67.8%	Polish	+	32.2%	Italian_Jewish	@	6.99
20	 	57.4%	Southwest_Russian	+	42.6%	Tuscan	@	6.99

**Leto** · 01-26-2020, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Some balkanites tend to have higher Baltic score, but that's on individual level depending on how much they mixed with more slavic influenced people.

I've never seen a Serb with 34% Baltic. We're not talking about "Balkanites" in general.

**Leto** · 01-26-2020, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

She is 1/2 Herzegovinian Serb+1/2 Bosnian Serb. CommonSense found her and posted her k15 some time ago, i didn't check her k13 until yesterday.

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	34.12
2	North_Atlantic	25.23
3	West_Med	18.44
4	East_Med	17.45
5	West_Asian	2.29
6	Red_Sea	1.36
7	Siberian	0.83
8	Amerindian	0.2
9	Northeast_African	0.08

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Serbian	9.25
2	Croatian	9.53
3	Moldavian	9.54
4	Hungarian	11.31
5	Romanian	11.65
6	Bulgarian	12.79
7	Ukrainian_Lviv	14.58
8	Austrian	14.67
9	South_Polish	14.93
10	Ukrainian	14.97
11	East_German	15.08
12	Polish	17.9
13	Southwest_Russian	18.17
14	Ukrainian_Belgorod	19.1
15	Estonian_Polish	19.62
16	Russian_Smolensk	19.78
17	Greek_Thessaly	20.05
18	Belorussian	20.21
19	West_German	20.85
20	North_Italian	21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	55.1%	Estonian_Polish	+	44.9%	Tuscan	@	6.4
2	 	58.8%	Estonian_Polish	+	41.2%	West_Sicilian	@	6.43
3	 	72%	Ukrainian	+	28%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.52
4	 	72.1%	Ukrainian	+	27.9%	Italian_Jewish	@	6.55
5	 	65.3%	Estonian_Polish	+	34.7%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.65
6	 	65.3%	Estonian_Polish	+	34.7%	Italian_Jewish	@	6.66
7	 	58%	Belorussian	+	42%	West_Sicilian	@	6.67
8	 	71.1%	Southwest_Russian	+	28.9%	Sardinian	@	6.7
9	 	52.6%	Lithuanian	+	47.4%	West_Sicilian	@	6.71
10	 	51.2%	Tuscan	+	48.8%	Lithuanian	@	6.72
11	 	54.3%	Belorussian	+	45.7%	Tuscan	@	6.72
12	 	67.4%	Ukrainian	+	32.6%	Ashkenazi	@	6.74
13	 	50.6%	Estonian_Polish	+	49.4%	Greek_Thessaly	@	6.79
14	 	64.5%	Belorussian	+	35.5%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.82
15	 	67.7%	Polish	+	32.3%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.83
16	 	50.2%	Greek_Thessaly	+	49.8%	Belorussian	@	6.84
17	 	59.8%	Estonian	+	40.2%	Algerian_Jewish	@	6.86
18	 	66.5%	Ukrainian	+	33.5%	West_Sicilian	@	6.92
19	 	67.8%	Polish	+	32.2%	Italian_Jewish	@	6.99
20	 	57.4%	Southwest_Russian	+	42.6%	Tuscan	@	6.99

2.3% West Asian only is super fucking strange though. I hate Gedmatch for that. Sometimes results look messed up in a way.
Is her Dod K12b normal?

**vbnetkhio** · 01-26-2020, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

2.3% West Asian only is super fucking strange though. I hate Gedmatch for that. Sometimes results look messed up in a way.
Is her Dod K12b normal?

i don't know what are Serbian dodecad k12b ranges like. you be the judge

Code:

#	Population	Percent
1	North_European	43.33
2	Atlantic_Med	27.98
3	Caucasus	20.26
4	Southwest_Asian	5.04
5	Northwest_African	1.46
6	Gedrosia	1.11
7	South_Asian	0.67
8	Sub_Saharan	0.09
9	East_African	0.06

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Hungarians (Behar)	7.02
2	Romanians (Behar)	10.65
3	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	12.49
4	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	12.64
5	German (Dodecad)	13.12
6	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	18.59
7	Dutch (Dodecad)	19.6
8	French (Dodecad)	20.5
9	French (HGDP)	20.76
10	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	20.83
11	Polish (Dodecad)	20.94
12	Kent (1000Genomes)	21.97
13	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	22.01
14	English (Dodecad)	22.2
15	N_Italian (Dodecad)	22.34
16	O_Italian (Dodecad)	22.34
17	Swedish (Dodecad)	22.67
18	British_Isles (Dodecad)	22.98
19	Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)	23.11
20	Norwegian (Dodecad)	23.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	56.8%	Polish (Dodecad)	+	43.2%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.65
2	 	55.7%	TSI30 (Metspalu)	+	44.3%	Lithuanian (Dodecad)	@	1.86
3	 	50.4%	TSI30 (Metspalu)	+	49.6%	Belorussian (Behar)	@	1.9
4	 	55.8%	Polish (Dodecad)	+	44.2%	Tuscan (HGDP)	@	1.94
5	 	58.2%	TSI30 (Metspalu)	+	41.8%	Lithuanians (Behar)	@	2.04
6	 	55.1%	Polish (Dodecad)	+	44.9%	TSI30 (Metspalu)	@	2.04
7	 	54.5%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	45.5%	North_Italian (HGDP)	@	2.13
8	 	51.8%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	48.2%	N_Italian (Dodecad)	@	2.23
9	 	57.6%	Tuscan (HGDP)	+	42.4%	Lithuanians (Behar)	@	2.23
10	 	52.6%	Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)	+	47.4%	TSI30 (Metspalu)	@	2.31
11	 	55.1%	Tuscan (HGDP)	+	44.9%	Lithuanian (Dodecad)	@	2.35
12	 	51.6%	Polish (Dodecad)	+	48.4%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	@	2.38
13	 	50.3%	Belorussian (Behar)	+	49.7%	Tuscan (HGDP)	@	2.54
14	 	55.3%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	+	44.7%	TSI30 (Metspalu)	@	2.68
15	 	53.3%	Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)	+	46.7%	Tuscan (HGDP)	@	2.82
16	 	56.6%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	+	43.4%	Lithuanians (Behar)	@	2.97
17	 	83.9%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	16.1%	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	@	2.98
18	 	65%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	35%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	3.07
19	 	84.1%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	15.9%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	@	3.12
20	 	80.8%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	19.2%	Greek (Dodecad)	@	3.16

**Leto** · 01-26-2020, 09:56 AM

The average is 40% according to Pribislav.

**vbnetkhio** · 01-26-2020, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

The average is 40% according to Pribislav.

this is from the Serbian project. 39 north euro. so yeah, probably around that range.

**vbnetkhio** · 01-26-2020, 10:08 AM

It's from her Herzegovinian part imo. Herzegovina has a strong medieval continuity according to y-dna research, while other Serbian regions had extinctions and were repopulated by mountain populations with more Vlach admixture.

i haven't seen a 100% Herzegovinian Serb dna result yet.

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