The stupidity of the "Mediterranean" label for phenotypes.

[Septentrion]

This is the point of this thread: that either Southern Europeans are not "mediterraneans" or northafricans are not "mediterraneans". But putting all of them in the same cathegory (with sub-cathegories) is extremely stupid. Just because people is not germanic does not mean that they can be put together. You can see it in the pictures, in real life, in genetical studies, in genetical maps. The only common thing between most southern Europeans (of course there is a 5% extreme med group in southern Europe, but they are not the standard at all, so you can´t generalize with them) and north-africans is not being germanic (talking about the majority). And just because of this, all of them are meds while at the same type people like Courtois (from Belgium) is not med just because he is not from southern Europe?? Ridiculous and stupid, and that is what I wanted to point out in this thread.

Is George Clooney, Catherine Z Jones and tons of brits from the same group as those "trans mediterranid, south mediterranid, ...." types that you like to talk about when talking about Spaniards?? I am sure that you will say no, that you can´t put in the same group a brit with a moroccoan but at the same point you like to put Spaniards in some sort of common group with north-africans. You have no clue of what you are talking about.

The same stupidity is when I hear that southern Europeans are "olive skinned". LOL. When I go out in the street most people I see are not olive skinned. In fact, I would say that only 1-2 out of 20-25 are some sort of olive skinned. The rest have a normal average European skin tone. In fact, I read some study that said that people from Leon in Spain were the 2º in lighter skin tone (underarm) in a group of 7-8 European countries. The 1º were the Dutch, and the Spaniards were (in this study) a bit lighter than the examples they took from other central European countries. This study must be somewhere, so I can´t put it. We are not olive skinned. That is A MYTH.

Let us stop being childish and acknowledge, that Iberia was under Moorish occupation or colonization whatever you want to call it, for hundreds of years. Obviously there had been some intermingling. As it happens when populations meet. Many Jewish people settled Europe including Iberia, starting from Roman era, thus have left their genetical imprint in our modern European populations.

[Cristiano viejo]

Let us stop being childish and acknowledge, that Iberia was under Moorish occupation or colonization whatever you want to call it, for hundreds of years.

Belgium was under Spanish occupation for hundred of years. Obviously there had been some intermingling. As it happens when populations meet.
EMBRACE YOUR MED BLOOD!

[alnortedelsur]

Let us stop being childish and acknowledge, that Iberia was under Moorish occupation or colonization whatever you want to call it, for hundreds of years. Obviously there had been some intermingling. As it happens when populations meet. Many Jewish people settled Europe including Iberia, starting from Roman era, thus have left their genetical imprint in our modern European populations.

That occupation left very little to none genetic impact on modern Iberian population, as modern genetics are proving. Stupid "mixing with Moors" myths aside.

[Creoda]

This PCA and everything related to GEDmatch is, according to its creator himself, 'prehistoric'. Your knowledge in genetics is stuck in 2013.
Even then, South Europeans are clearly closer to Near Easterners than other Europeans, aren't they?

How much North African blood does the average Iberian have again? I can't remember.

[Dna8]

This thread's burning quite nicely now.

[Cristiano viejo]

How much North African blood does the average Iberian have again? I can't remember.

Spaniards 2-3%.
Portuguese something more.

[Dick]

The best white, agreed.

Along with the British, yes. the entire Western hemisphere speaks either English or Spanish minus Quebec but then again they can speak English fluently as well meanwhile a vast majority of Canadians aren't bilingual, regarding the two official languages that is.

[Smeagol]

He means that, compared to other Europeans, Southern Europeans are closer to Near Easterners, NOT that Southern Europeans are closer to Near Easterners than to other Europeans.

Even then, some are though.

[Septentrion]

Belgium was under Spanish occupation for hundred of years. Obviously there had been some intermingling. As it happens when populations meet.
EMBRACE YOUR MED BLOOD!

Well there was no major move from Iberians into the Low Countries. Therefore genetic studies show that the Iberian genetic input is insignificant within the Low Countries. On the other hand, the longer 700 years or so of Moorish occupation brought North Africans into Iberians. This is turn shows up well in Iberian genetics. Iberians have the highest frequency of African genetical component of all Europeans, with exception of maybe Sardinians.

[Septentrion]

Spaniards 2-3%.
Portuguese something more.

Ha!ha! Way more dude! Get your facts straight, will you?