Proto-Avar Gedmatch + Global25.

**Leto** · 02-28-2020, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

But real Avars were totally Siberian people.

Were they Turkic? I honestly know very little about them.

**axlredneck** · 02-28-2020, 11:51 AM

Don't think Avars were Turkic.

**Leto** · 02-28-2020, 11:57 AM

Anyway, looks like that sample predates the Pannonian Avar period which began in the second half of the 6th cent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Avars
I don't think the ones in Europe would have been that much Mongoloid like modern native Siberians.

**Kaspias** · 02-28-2020, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

Were they Turkic? I honestly know very little about them.

They were federation. Everyone who can ride a horse and carry a bow accepted as Avar. Consisted of Turks, Mongols, and others at the same time. We see that their name is written in the same form with the Gokturk alphabet btw.

**Kaspias** · 02-28-2020, 11:58 AM

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**axlredneck** · 02-28-2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

They were federation. Everyone who can ride a horse and carry a bow accepted as Avar. Consisted of Turks, Mongols, and others at the same time. We see that their name is written in the same form with the Gokturk alphabet btw.

Interesting!

**axlredneck** · 02-28-2020, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Anyway, looks like that sample predates the Pannonian Avar period which began in the second half of the 6th cent.

Hence, Proto-Avar!

**Jana** · 02-28-2020, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Were they Turkic? I honestly know very little about them.

Nobody knows what kind of language Panonnian Avars spoke. But, they did have Turkic styled titles.

**axlredneck** · 02-28-2020, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Avars were indeed Buryat like people, last paper on them said the same.

Was it in relation to the autosomal or Y-dna or both?

**Jana** · 02-28-2020, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Anyway, looks like that sample predates the Pannonian Avar period which began in the second half of the 6th cent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Avars
I don't think the ones in Europe would have been that much Mongoloid like modern native Siberians.

Avar proper skulls from Hungary are antropometrically fully mongoloid. In Byzantine Cronicles, it is written Croats captured Avars they defeated, and assimilated them, and that long time after that, it was visible who was of Avar descent among Croats. It means they were recognizable by their look.