Mixed Moldovan Adoptee - Gedmatch

**Leto** · 03-05-2020, 05:40 PM

From Reddit
https://i.imgur.com/lHG9scO.jpg
Adopted from Moscow, Russia. Originally said to be from Moldova but his biological father was allegedly Azerbaijani

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 27.77
2 Baltic 22
3 North_Atlantic 17.45
4 East_Med 15.78
5 West_Med 10.24
6 Red_Sea 2.58
7 Oceanian 1.04
8 Northeast_African 0.83
9 East_Asian 0.79
10 Siberian 0.71
11 Amerindian 0.57
12 South_Asian 0.12
13 Sub-Saharan 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 16.34
2 Romanian 16.93
3 Kumyk 18.01
4 Serbian 19.25
5 Greek_Thessaly 19.36
6 Chechen 19.47
7 Kabardin 19.89
8 Tabassaran 20.16
9 Lezgin 20.34
10 Moldavian 20.59
11 Balkar 21.3
12 Nogay 21.34
13 Central_Greek 21.48
14 Adygei 21.58
15 Italian_Abruzzo 21.58
16 Turkish 22.21
17 North_Ossetian 23.01
18 East_Sicilian 23.15
19 Azeri 23.65
20 Croatian 23.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.3% Serbian + 49.7% Chechen @ 2.61
2 53.6% Romanian + 46.4% Chechen @ 2.8
3 54.8% Croatian + 45.2% Georgian @ 2.88
4 57% Croatian + 43% Abhkasian @ 3.02
5 54.7% Romanian + 45.3% Lezgin @ 3.04
6 51.4% Serbian + 48.6% Lezgin @ 3.12
7 52.9% Serbian + 47.1% Adygei @ 3.15
8 54.5% Bulgarian + 45.5% Chechen @ 3.19
9 56.7% Hungarian + 43.3% Abhkasian @ 3.23
10 50.4% Georgian + 49.6% South_Polish @ 3.25
11 55.6% Bulgarian + 44.4% Lezgin @ 3.27
12 54.6% Serbian + 45.4% North_Ossetian @ 3.33
13 52.8% Adygei + 47.2% Hungarian @ 3.35
14 55.4% Bulgarian + 44.6% Tabassaran @ 3.36
15 58.4% Moldavian + 41.6% Georgian @ 3.36
16 54.5% Hungarian + 45.5% Georgian @ 3.37
17 57.1% Kumyk + 42.9% Croatian @ 3.5
18 60.6% Moldavian + 39.4% Abhkasian @ 3.59
19 57.5% Kumyk + 42.5% Hungarian @ 3.61
20 51.8% South_Polish + 48.2% Abhkasian @ 3.64

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.42
2 North_European 29.42
3 Atlantic_Med 17.01
4 Gedrosia 14.45
5 Southwest_Asian 6.04
6 East_Asian 2.14
7 East_African 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.1
2 Romanians (Behar) 14.34
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.03
4 Greek (Dodecad) 18.42
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.86
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.37
7 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.47
8 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.6
9 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 22.68
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.44
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 23.45
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.63
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.83
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.95
15 TSI30 (Metspalu) 24.13
16 Turks (Behar) 24.95
17 Lezgins (Behar) 25.15
18 Hungarians (Behar) 25.51
19 N_Italian (Dodecad) 25.53
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 26.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 3.7
2 54% Hungarians (Behar) + 46% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.1
3 53.6% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 46.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.26
4 53.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.36
5 61.7% Turks (Behar) + 38.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.54
6 57.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 42.6% German (Dodecad) @ 4.59
7 60.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 39.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.71
8 59.5% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 40.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 4.81
9 63.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 4.98
10 52.9% Armenians (Behar) + 47.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.99
11 53.6% Armenian (Dodecad) + 46.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.05
12 62.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 37.8% English (Dodecad) @ 5.08
13 62% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 38% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
14 62.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 37.9% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
15 68.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 31.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.1
16 63.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.3
17 63.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.6% British (Dodecad) @ 5.33
18 50.6% Turks (Behar) + 49.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.34
19 70.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.34
20 63.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.37

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 31.62
2 NE-Euro 29.85
3 Baloch 15.59
4 Mediterranean 14.94
5 SW-Asian 5.32
6 Beringian 0.71
7 NE-Asian 0.69
8 Pygmy 0.66
9 Papuan 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 13.38
2 romanian-a (behar) 14.01
3 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 17.35
4 ashkenazi (harappa) 17.73
5 stalskoe (xing) 17.94
6 tuscan (1000genomes) 19.52
7 tuscan (hgdp) 19.77
8 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 19.86
9 tuscan (hapmap) 20.3
10 nogai (yunusbayev) 20.7
11 urkarah (xing) 21.82
12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 22.09
13 kumyk (yunusbayev) 23.05
14 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 24.05
15 lezgin (behar) 24.18
16 turk (behar) 24.45
17 italian (hgdp) 24.47
18 chechen (yunusbayev) 24.75
19 romanian-b (behar) 24.96
20 turkmen (yunusbayev) 25.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.7% romanian-a (behar) + 36.3% lezgin (behar) @ 2.95
2 51.2% utahn-white (hapmap) + 48.8% georgian (harappa) @ 2.97
3 52% n-european (xing) + 48% georgian (harappa) @ 3.04
4 50.9% georgian (harappa) + 49.1% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.06
5 61.3% romanian-a (behar) + 38.7% urkarah (xing) @ 3.12
6 56.4% romanian-a (behar) + 43.6% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.18
7 52.2% slovenian (xing) + 47.8% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.31
8 53.2% hungarian (behar) + 46.8% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.57
9 51.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 48.4% georgian (harappa) @ 3.58
10 62.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 37.4% urkarah (xing) @ 3.65
11 50.4% british (1000genomes) + 49.6% georgian (harappa) @ 3.73
12 57.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 42.3% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.76
13 50.9% azeri (harappa) + 49.1% slovenian (xing) @ 3.88
14 50% hungarian (behar) + 50% azeri (harappa) @ 3.93
15 65.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 34.9% lezgin (behar) @ 3.95
16 53.1% slovenian (xing) + 46.9% kurd (xing) @ 4.07
17 60.1% kumyk (yunusbayev) + 39.9% n-european (xing) @ 4.21
18 60.5% kumyk (yunusbayev) + 39.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 4.26
19 54% hungarian (behar) + 46% kurd (xing) @ 4.28
20 59.1% hungarian (behar) + 40.9% georgian (harappa) @ 4.3

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 34.39
2 Caucasian 30.82
3 Mediterranean 23.8
4 SW_Asian 6.1
5 Siberian 1.25
6 Omo_River 1.16
7 Oceanian 1.1
8 S_Indian 0.5
9 Beringian 0.45
10 E_Asian 0.24
11 Horn_Of_Africa 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 13.48
2 Greek_Thessaly 13.94
3 Bosnian 15.6
4 Macedonian 16.6
5 Bulgarian 17.22
6 Romanian 17.65
7 Albanian 17.81
8 Montenegrin 17.83
9 Tuscan 17.98
10 Italian 19.59
11 Serbian 19.69
12 Chechen 19.96
13 Ashkenazy_Jew 21.71
14 Nogai 22.5
15 Sicilian 22.9
16 Kumyk 23.26
17 Croatian 23.26
18 Balkar 23.6
19 Lezgin 23.94
20 Sephardic_Jew 24.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.3% Bosnian + 43.7% Chechen @ 2.57
2 60.7% Bosnian + 39.3% Lezgin @ 2.6
3 57.9% Armenian + 42.1% Lithuanian @ 2.67
4 55.7% Armenian + 44.3% Belarusian @ 2.93
5 55.3% Armenian + 44.7% Karelian @ 3.07
6 54.9% Armenian + 45.1% Russian @ 3.07
7 50% Kumyk + 50% Croatian @ 3.12
8 53.6% Kumyk + 46.4% Austrian @ 3.14
9 60.8% Turk_Istanbul + 39.2% Lithuanian @ 3.17
10 50.4% Serbian + 49.6% Chechen @ 3.28
11 58.6% Turk_Istanbul + 41.4% Belarusian @ 3.36
12 60.2% Bosnian + 39.8% Kumyk @ 3.37
13 59.1% Azerbaijani + 40.9% Lithuanian @ 3.44
14 52.1% Kumyk + 47.9% Hungarian @ 3.46
15 56.3% Armenian + 43.7% Finnish @ 3.47
16 54.3% Serbian + 45.7% Kumyk @ 3.5
17 54.8% Armenian + 45.2% Mordovian @ 3.57
18 53.3% Kumyk + 46.7% Slovenian @ 3.6
19 56.9% Azerbaijani + 43.1% Belarusian @ 3.61
20 59.4% Macedonian + 40.6% Lezgin @ 3.63

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 03-05-2020, 05:58 PM

13 50.9% azeri (harappa) + 49.1% slovenian (xing) @ 3.88
14 50% hungarian (behar) + 50% azeri (harappa) @ 3.93
18 50.6% Turks (Behar) + 49.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.34

Looks about right. His mother has roots in the Northern part of Moldova by the looks of it.

**Leto** · 03-05-2020, 06:02 PM

You can see his 23andme results in the OP.

He scores no South Asian/South Indian and his East Eurasian percentage is also minimal which makes me think his father might have been more like a North Caucasian instead of a typical Azerbaijani.
Does anyone know what kind of haplogroup is that?

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 03-05-2020, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

You can see his 23andme results in the OP.

He scores no South Asian/South Indian and his East Eurasian percentage is also minimal which makes me think his father might have been more like a North Caucasian instead of a typical Azerbaijani.
Does anyone know what kind of haplogroup is that?

Why would his East Eurasian percentage be any higher than that? That's normal, considering that most of it gets packaged under Anatolian. Do Azeris score separate East Eurasian? I know that Turks don't for example.
The fact that he inherited 60% Euro, instead of 50% is also normal. He either inherited more segments from his mother, or 23andme needs phasing to show an accurate 50% 50% split.
I personally think that those GEDmatch results that I've shared are quite accurate for his autosomal profile.

**WeirdLookingFellow** · 03-05-2020, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

13 50.9% azeri (harappa) + 49.1% slovenian (xing) @ 3.88
14 50% hungarian (behar) + 50% azeri (harappa) @ 3.93
18 50.6% Turks (Behar) + 49.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.34

Looks about right. His mother has roots in the Northern part of Moldova by the looks of it.

Something tells me this might be more accurate:

50.3% Serbian + 49.7% Chechen @ 2.61

**Leto** · 03-05-2020, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Why would his East Eurasian percentage be any higher than that? That's normal, considering that most of it gets packaged under Anatolian. Do Azeris score separate East Eurasian? I know that Turks don't for example.
The fact that he inherited 60% Euro, instead of 50% is also normal. He either inherited more segments from his mother, or 23andme needs phasing to show an accurate 50% 50% split.
I personally think that those GEDmatch results that I've shared are quite accurate for his autosomal profile.

I wasn't talking about his 23andme results. On Gedmatch his South Asian is absent and his East Eurasian is negligible. On average Azeris are 7% South_Asian (K13) and 5-7% East Eurasian. He also would have gotten more East Med, I think because Moldovans are at least 10% and Azeris are close to 30%.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 03-05-2020, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

I wasn't talking about his 23andme results. On Gedmatch his South Asian is absent and his East Eurasian is negligible. On average Azeris are 7% South_Asian (K13) and 5-7% East Eurasian. He also would have gotten more East Med, I think because Moldovans are at least 10% and Azeris are close to 30%.

Ah, that makes sense. I actually looked at the East Asian and Siberian components on GEDmatch after that and was going to reply that his levels are almost negligible to be detected on 23andme.
Yes, unless there is a regional variation in Azeris and we are missing that gradient in the GEDmatch samples that we have, then perhaps his father is either mixed Azeri or belongs to one of the other 1000 ethnicities from Caucasus.
Good luck finding which one it is.

**Leto** · 03-05-2020, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Ah, that makes sense. I actually looked at the East Asian and Siberian components on GEDmatch after that and was going to reply that his levels are almost negligible to be detected on 23andme.
Yes, unless there is a regional variation in Azeris and we are missing that gradient in the GEDmatch samples that we have, then perhaps his father is either mixed Azeri or belongs to one of the other 1000 ethnicities from Caucasus.
Good luck finding which one it is.

Well, not as many and they can be easily sorted out by language and geography (NW Caucasus, NE Caucasus, etc.). Azerbaijan's largest ethnic minority is Lezgins, they live mainly in the Northeast of the republic. There is also some Avars in a few Northern villages. Probably his father was part Lezgin or something like that.

**Leto** · 03-05-2020, 06:40 PM

I wonder if he can be considered white

**Leto** · 03-07-2020, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Paul.vdc

Hey! I’m the one the post is about. I know my mom is Moldovan 100% and my dad is Azerbaijani (90% sure). I think my dad is mixed with Italian or something else and It could be that he’s not azeri.

Hi and welcome!
No, it's very unlikely that your father was mixed with Italian. Those Gedmatch oracles quite clearly show he was some kind of Lezgin or maybe partially Lezgin. There was like 100,000 Lezgins in Azerbaijan back in the 1990s, nothing weird about that.