Serbian Autosomal DNA

[CommonSense]

Out of interest in this discussion, I decided to try a little experiment. I went through my matches on gedmatch and searched for the first 50 people of Serbian, Croatian and Bosniak background I could find. For some I already knew their ancestry, for others I had nothing to go on but their first and last names they left along with their kit. Obviously, I excluded the people with results that clearly appear mixed (people like Ayetooey, for example, who have Serbian names but are half NW Euro). Most of those inidivduals I'd say are Serbs, with a fair few Croats and three Bosniaks.

The average Baltic score on K13 out of the people I checked out is 29.88. The lowest I found belongs to Croat Belfranin from Zadar county - 22.51 , yet his North Atlantic is extremely high, over 30. The highest score, 35.58 had Miškulin, another Dalmatian Croat. But, he scores only about 21 North Atlantic, so he's practically the polar opposite of the man from Zadar in that regard.

Only one person scored below 25, and only two of them above 35 (as you can see, just barely).

So, my conclusion is: yes, individuals like those Serbs Pribislav keeps spamming lately, as well as Max Soldo for a Croat, are serious outliers and continuously posting them and only them gives a pretty twisted view and can cause less informed people to make wrong conclusions about the topic - for example: ''Krajina Serbs are Croat admixed and closer to Croats than to other Serb''. Not saying a Serb can't so much 'Baltic' or north European DNA, but when even the majority of Croats don't, this constant circlejerk is really hard to understand.

[Dušan]

Results of Krajina Serb (Lika region), surname Cvjetićanin.

K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.41
3 West_Med 16.04
4 East_Med 13.59
5 West_Asian 10.23
6 Red_Sea 2.85
7 East_Asian 0.47
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Oceanian 0.2
10 Northeast_African 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.02
2 Moldavian 4.54
3 Croatian 6.78
4 Romanian 7.05
5 Hungarian 8.07
6 Bulgarian 9.1
7 Austrian 11.7
8 East_German 12.85
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.22
10 South_Polish 14.03

K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.2
2 Baltic 18.06
3 Eastern_Euro 14.63
4 North_Sea 13.31
5 West_Med 11.62
6 West_Asian 9.9
7 East_Med 9.68
8 Red_Sea 2.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.6
2 Romanian 7.26
3 Croatian 7.82
4 Austrian 8.32
5 Moldavian 8.35
6 Bulgarian 8.6
7 Hungarian 10.92
8 East_German 13.62
9 South_Polish 14.3
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.85

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Tuscan @ 4.24
2 56.6% Russian_Smolensk + 43.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.36
3 53.9% Russian_Smolensk + 46.1% Tuscan @ 4.39
4 52.9% Estonian_Polish + 47.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.44
5 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% Greek @ 4.55
6 76.2% Croatian + 23.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.59
7 52% Southwest_Russian + 48% Tuscan @ 4.6
8 58.3% Russian_Smolensk + 41.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.62
9 77.5% Croatian + 22.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.63
10 53.5% Croatian + 46.5% Bulgarian @ 4.67
11 51.2% Austrian + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 4.68
12 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.74
13 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.77
14 68.7% Bulgarian + 31.3% Polish @ 4.8
15 71.6% Bulgarian + 28.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.81
16 50.2% Estonian_Polish + 49.8% Tuscan @ 4.82
17 50.2% Polish + 49.8% Greek @ 4.84
18 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% South_Italian @ 4.93
19 50.5% Russian_Smolensk + 49.5% Greek @ 4.94
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 4.95

[Leto]

What are the Serbian East and West Med averages? The old Eurogenes spreadsheet puts them at ca. 15 percent East and 15 percent West (on K15 it's around 12 percent each).

[Dušan]

What are the Serbian East and West Med averages? The old Eurogenes spreadsheet puts them at ca. 15 percent East and 15 percent West (on K15 it's around 12 percent each).

Yes, according to old Gedmatch 15.84% WestMed and 15.63% EastMed.
According to new average on Vahaduo, based mostly on Poreklo members, averages are 16.53% WestMed and 15.37% EastMed.

[Token]

Alright then, this makes you a hypocrite. Mingle has a right to talk about whatever he wants regardless whether "HE hAs tHe rIgHt or nOt" With that said, Your people have no relationship with Persians or Iranians since we are not Europeans nor can you claim Early Iranians as Europeans either. Its already been established many times in this forum.

We can claim Proto-Indo-Iranians though, who came from the heart of Europe, your language and Zorostrianism, which was first preached in the steppes of Southern Russia aka Airyanem Vaejah. Not less important, around 15% of the modern Iranian genome is North European-like.

[CommonSense]

Results of Krajina Serb (Lika region), surname Cvjetićanin.

K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.41
3 West_Med 16.04
4 East_Med 13.59
5 West_Asian 10.23
6 Red_Sea 2.85
7 East_Asian 0.47
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Oceanian 0.2
10 Northeast_African 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.02
2 Moldavian 4.54
3 Croatian 6.78
4 Romanian 7.05
5 Hungarian 8.07
6 Bulgarian 9.1
7 Austrian 11.7
8 East_German 12.85
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.22
10 South_Polish 14.03

K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.2
2 Baltic 18.06
3 Eastern_Euro 14.63
4 North_Sea 13.31
5 West_Med 11.62
6 West_Asian 9.9
7 East_Med 9.68
8 Red_Sea 2.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.6
2 Romanian 7.26
3 Croatian 7.82
4 Austrian 8.32
5 Moldavian 8.35
6 Bulgarian 8.6
7 Hungarian 10.92
8 East_German 13.62
9 South_Polish 14.3
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.85

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Tuscan @ 4.24
2 56.6% Russian_Smolensk + 43.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.36
3 53.9% Russian_Smolensk + 46.1% Tuscan @ 4.39
4 52.9% Estonian_Polish + 47.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.44
5 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% Greek @ 4.55
6 76.2% Croatian + 23.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.59
7 52% Southwest_Russian + 48% Tuscan @ 4.6
8 58.3% Russian_Smolensk + 41.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.62
9 77.5% Croatian + 22.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.63
10 53.5% Croatian + 46.5% Bulgarian @ 4.67
11 51.2% Austrian + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 4.68
12 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.74
13 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.77
14 68.7% Bulgarian + 31.3% Polish @ 4.8
15 71.6% Bulgarian + 28.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.81
16 50.2% Estonian_Polish + 49.8% Tuscan @ 4.82
17 50.2% Polish + 49.8% Greek @ 4.84
18 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% South_Italian @ 4.93
19 50.5% Russian_Smolensk + 49.5% Greek @ 4.94
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 4.95

Impressive to see how many Lika Serbs both tested and uploaded their results on gedmatch! I think out of all the subregions Serbs live(d) in, we have the most examples from them. Yet, Lika itself never even had a particularly large number of ihabitants, they were less numerous than other Serbian groups, like Serbs from Kosovo who we almost know nothing about (autosomally).

[Babak]

We can claim Proto-Indo-Iranians though, who came from the heart of Europe, your language and Zorostrianism, which was first preached in the steppes of Southern Russia aka Airyanem Vaejah. Not less important, around 15% of the modern Iranian genome is North European-like.

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

[Kamal900]

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

A Slav who is culturally appropriating Aryan history and cultural heritage for "muh whyte rayce!".

[Leto]

A Slav who is culturally appropriating Aryan history and cultural heritage for "muh whyte rayce!".

And why do you care? For the record, neither you, nor Babak, nor Middle Easterners in general weren't even mentioned. So fuck off please.

[Leto]

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

I have pale skin, gray-blue eyes and light hair. Many Steppe people would have looked more like me than like you. But who was talking about Iranians anyway? Why the fuck did you even butt in to begin with?