Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[JohnnyP]

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[Leto]

I will upload tomorrow those new refs.

Also I don't understand why some people on other forum have problem with 'updated' calc versions. For everyone such calc, original oracle version is preserved too.

They simply don't have to use it.

Please add the Tatar reference for Dod K12b, it's very representative (based on 20 samples)

Tatar_Kazan,8.4,13.4,0.2,0.53,14.5,42.26,1.32,0.02 ,0.99,7.17,11.19,0.02

[Nurzat]

bla bla blah

pls see this, especially the distance there for my dad's simulated G25 - do you think it's a good approach?

[Leto]

pls see this, especially the distance there for my dad's simulated G25 - do you think it's a good approach?

That would be logical if he was close to Slovaks but I'm not sure about East Germans though. There is no SW Ukrainian reference on G25.

[Nurzat]

That would be logical if he was close to Slovaks but I'm not sure about East Germans though. There is no SW Ukrainian reference on G25.

the distance at the bottom of the post says Slovaks, then Poles, then Ukrainians, better than the 2-pop mix. on the Vahaduo Northern Euro PCA he is close to westernmost Ukrainians but among Poles and a Slovak. I think it's pretty realistic since the West Moldovans I know the G25 coords for are close to that G25 Moldavian average so it should be a good proxy for my mom.

anyway the idea is he and Rusyns in general are in no way genetically Balkan Slav as a group as they so often say on these forums - not even Croats or Slovenes don't come closer than West Slavs or Ukrainians or even southwest Russians (I come close to NW Balkan Slavs only because I'm only half Rusyn and half Moldovan/northeast Romanian):

Distance to: Nurzat_dad_simulated
0.03682210 Slovakian
0.03766347 Polish
0.03906050 Ukrainian
0.03962451 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.04088718 Russian_Kursk
0.04101677 Russian_Orel
0.04223174 Nurzat_Rusoğlu
0.04268185 Czech
0.04334595 Hungarian
0.04358084 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04432497 Russian_Voronez
0.04471008 German_East
0.04605206 Slovenian
0.04652248 Croatian
0.04653547 Russian_Tver
0.04690332 Belarusian
0.04874910 Russian_Smolensk
0.04938668 Austrian
0.05350406 Bosnian
0.05621923 German
0.05663940 Swedish
0.05697363 Cossack_Kuban
0.05968316 Mordovian
0.06057218 Russian_Kostroma
0.06109431 Estonian

[Leto]

the distance at the bottom of the post says Slovaks, then Poles, then Ukrainians, better than the 2-pop mix. on the Vahaduo Northern Euro PCA he is close to westernmost Ukrainians but among Poles and a Slovak. I think it's pretty realistic since the West Moldovans I know the G25 coords for are close to that G25 Moldavian average so it should be a good proxy for my mom.

anyway the idea is he and Rusyns in general are in no way genetically Balkan Slav as a group as they so often say on these forums - not even Croats or Slovenes don't come closer than West Slavs or Ukrainians or even southwest Russians (I come close to NW Balkan Slavs only because I'm only half Rusyn and half Moldovan/northeast Romanian):

Distance to: Nurzat_dad_simulated
0.03682210 Slovakian
0.03766347 Polish
0.03906050 Ukrainian
0.03962451 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.04088718 Russian_Kursk
0.04101677 Russian_Orel
0.04223174 Nurzat_Rusoğlu
0.04268185 Czech
0.04334595 Hungarian
0.04358084 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04432497 Russian_Voronez
0.04471008 German_East
0.04605206 Slovenian
0.04652248 Croatian
0.04653547 Russian_Tver
0.04690332 Belarusian
0.04874910 Russian_Smolensk
0.04938668 Austrian
0.05350406 Bosnian
0.05621923 German
0.05663940 Swedish
0.05697363 Cossack_Kuban
0.05968316 Mordovian
0.06057218 Russian_Kostroma
0.06109431 Estonian

Interesting.
No, of course they aren't Balkan Slavs. Maybe some Croats and Bosniaks come close to them but as a whole they're closer to Slovaks, Malopolska and SW Ukraine (Ivano-Frankovsk, Chernovtsy, Uzhgorod etc.)

[Nurzat]

Interesting.
No, of course they aren't Balkan Slavs. Maybe some Croats and Bosniaks come close to them but as a whole they're closer to Slovaks, Malopolska and SW Ukraine (Ivano-Frankovsk, Chernovtsy, Uzhgorod etc.)

this is important to know especially in Romania where we are no enclave but we come in direct continuation of the Ukrainian population in Ukraine, there's no other ethnic group living in the lands between our region and the Ukrainian border - we are just the southwestern edge of the Ukrainian continuous. Romanians always laugh at us calling us Slavicized Vlachs, Russian-speaking Vlachs, Slavicized Dacians or in the best case considering us a Vlach-Russian mix, but anyway laughing at our identity and considering we speak another language to be fancy or something (them considering we've always spoken Romanian before being Slavicized, when truth is Romanian was brought by schooling half a century ago and still not in use between natives), when the fact is that these communities passed on the language without ever being in a Ukrainian state, so no schooling in Ukrainian until recently, who the fuck could have taught them Ukrainian? and this only shows how powerful the heritage and cultural identity was for the people at least until recently. seriously, although most Romanians don't even know there's a Ukrainian native community in northern Romania, those who know become offended if you don't admit you're either a Russian-speaking Vlach either a Vlach-Russian mongrel

[Leto]

this is important to know especially in Romania where we are no enclave but we come in direct continuation of the Ukrainian population in Ukraine, there's no other ethnic group living in the lands between our region and the Ukrainian border - we are just the southwestern edge of the Ukrainian continuous. Romanians always laugh at us calling us Slavicized Vlachs, Russian-speaking Vlachs, Slavicized Dacians or in the best case considering us a Vlach-Russian mix, but anyway laughing at our identity and considering we speak another language to be fancy or something (them considering we've always spoken Romanian before being Slavicized, when truth is Romanian was brought by schooling half a century ago and still not in use between natives), when the fact is that these communities passed on the language without ever being in a Ukrainian state, so no schooling in Ukrainian until recently, who the fuck could have taught them Ukrainian? and this only shows how powerful the heritage and cultural identity was for the people at least until recently. seriously, although most Romanians don't even know there's a Ukrainian native community in northern Romania, those who know become offended if you don't admit you're either a Russian-speaking Vlach either a Vlach-Russian mongrel

Yeah, that's certainly an interesting community and I commend your great interest in your heritage. I think you love both Rusyn and Romanian heritage.

[Nurzat]

Yeah, that's certainly an interesting community and I commend your great interest in your heritage. I think you love both Rusyn and Romanian heritage.

sure, but I am not nationalistic with either. just a bit worried for the future of the Ukrainian language within the community - it's spoken as first language in the villages, but most of those who leave for the Romanian cities marry Romanians and won't speak it to their kids. at old style Christmas when families get together, often the cousins from the cities don't speak the language so people have to switch from Ukrainian to Romanian all the time.

anyway, we're organized, there's a lot of stuff happening for the youth as well: Союз українців Румунії

[Leto]

@Lukasz
Add this Dod K12b average please
TJK_Balanovsky,28.38,6.47,0.12,1.17,5.50,18.85,7.7 3,0.10,3.25,7.20,21.20,0.01