Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Ion Basescul]

about the original K13 Eurogenes/Germatch Moldavian reference for Moldavians - it still seems relevant, otherwise why would all Moldovans (both East and West) have it in their top 5 populations distance (also look at distance to Moldavian versus distance to Romanian):

EDIT: on mixed mode it becomes obvious it is too northeastern-shifted, sorry. it will be interesting to average the results we get on this thread for a more relevant Moldovan average and it'd be interesting to do it both for West of Prut and East of Prut Moldovans.

Distance to: Zmey
4.84922674 Moldavian
7.64008508 Croatian
8.71007463 Serbian
11.11243448 Romanian
11.77366553 Hungarian

Distance to: Nurzat
3.72852518 Moldavian
6.77348507 Serbian
7.12741187 Croatian
9.14139486 Hungarian
9.65390595 Romanian

Distance to: Suceava
4.05896539 Serbian
7.08504058 Moldavian
7.90370799 Hungarian
8.05363272 Romanian
9.05477222 Croatian

Distance to: Botosani
3.77128625 Moldavian
7.15705945 Croatian
8.20808138 Serbian
10.70861336 Romanian
11.19339091 Hungarian

Distance to: Vaslui-1
4.52390318 Serbian
5.81889165 Romanian
7.29533413 Moldavian
7.82243568 Bulgarian
10.68984565 Croatian

Distance to: Vaslui-2
2.56848204 Serbian
5.51313885 Romanian
8.57938809 Bulgarian
9.36670166 Moldavian
10.31559499 Hungarian

Distance to: Neamt
5.85920643 Romanian
6.44920925 Bulgarian
7.46351794 Serbian
10.29112725 Moldavian
14.22298140 Croatian

Distance to: Fellow
6.21748341 Serbian
6.66183909 Romanian
8.85023728 Bulgarian
12.92885532 Hungarian
13.50722399 Moldavian

Distance to: FellowGF
3.94632741 Romanian
4.71958685 Bulgarian
6.10644741 Serbian
11.20027232 Moldavian
14.24206095 Greek_Thessaly

Well, it's not completely irrelevant, but it's not the best so to speak due to those users being mixed, which pushes them further North than the average. The current 10 samples from Stefan Voda on the contrary are too Southern for averages. Perhaps combining the two could lead to a better average.
I'll probably do that at some point.

[Leto]

War Chief is half Gagauz from Moldova, 1/4 Ossetian and 1/4 Ukrainian

Population
North_Atlantic 17.43 Pct
Baltic 27.03 Pct
West_Med 10.72 Pct
West_Asian 25.39 Pct
East_Med 14.03 Pct
Red_Sea 0.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.92 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.62 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.76 Pct
Northeast_African 0.36 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Population
Gedrosia 9.87 Pct
Siberian 2.27 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.69 Pct
North_European 34.10 Pct
South_Asian 0.54 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.08 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 32.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Jana]

about the original K13 Eurogenes/Germatch Moldavian reference for Moldavians - it still seems relevant, otherwise why would all Moldovans (both East and West) have it in their top 5 populations distance (also look at distance to Moldavian versus distance to Romanian):

EDIT: on mixed mode it becomes obvious it is too northeastern-shifted, sorry. it will be interesting to average the results we get on this thread for a more relevant Moldovan average and it'd be interesting to do it both for West of Prut and East of Prut Moldovans.

Distance to: Zmey
4.84922674 Moldavian
7.64008508 Croatian
8.71007463 Serbian
11.11243448 Romanian
11.77366553 Hungarian

Distance to: Nurzat
3.72852518 Moldavian
6.77348507 Serbian
7.12741187 Croatian
9.14139486 Hungarian
9.65390595 Romanian

Distance to: Suceava
4.05896539 Serbian
7.08504058 Moldavian
7.90370799 Hungarian
8.05363272 Romanian
9.05477222 Croatian

Distance to: Botosani
3.77128625 Moldavian
7.15705945 Croatian
8.20808138 Serbian
10.70861336 Romanian
11.19339091 Hungarian

Distance to: Vaslui-1
4.52390318 Serbian
5.81889165 Romanian
7.29533413 Moldavian
7.82243568 Bulgarian
10.68984565 Croatian

Distance to: Vaslui-2
2.56848204 Serbian
5.51313885 Romanian
8.57938809 Bulgarian
9.36670166 Moldavian
10.31559499 Hungarian

Distance to: Neamt
5.85920643 Romanian
6.44920925 Bulgarian
7.46351794 Serbian
10.29112725 Moldavian
14.22298140 Croatian

Distance to: Fellow
6.21748341 Serbian
6.66183909 Romanian
8.85023728 Bulgarian
12.92885532 Hungarian
13.50722399 Moldavian

Distance to: FellowGF
3.94632741 Romanian
4.71958685 Bulgarian
6.10644741 Serbian
11.20027232 Moldavian
14.24206095 Greek_Thessaly

But you are just half Moldovan. Your result shouldn't be included in ethnic Moldovan average, just like I don't include mine in Croatian, and by blood I am 75% Croat.
You can add IncelSlayer instead.

[Leto]

Mixed Moldovan adoptee (father is likely Lezgin-Azerbaijani)

From Reddit
https://i.imgur.com/lHG9scO.jpg
Adopted from Moscow, Russia. Originally said to be from Moldova but his biological father was allegedly Azerbaijani

J-CTS5368
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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 27.77
2 Baltic 22
3 North_Atlantic 17.45
4 East_Med 15.78
5 West_Med 10.24
6 Red_Sea 2.58
7 Oceanian 1.04
8 Northeast_African 0.83
9 East_Asian 0.79
10 Siberian 0.71
11 Amerindian 0.57
12 South_Asian 0.12
13 Sub-Saharan 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 16.34
2 Romanian 16.93
3 Kumyk 18.01
4 Serbian 19.25
5 Greek_Thessaly 19.36
6 Chechen 19.47
7 Kabardin 19.89
8 Tabassaran 20.16
9 Lezgin 20.34
10 Moldavian 20.59
11 Balkar 21.3
12 Nogay 21.34
13 Central_Greek 21.48
14 Adygei 21.58
15 Italian_Abruzzo 21.58
16 Turkish 22.21
17 North_Ossetian 23.01
18 East_Sicilian 23.15
19 Azeri 23.65
20 Croatian 23.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.3% Serbian + 49.7% Chechen @ 2.61
2 53.6% Romanian + 46.4% Chechen @ 2.8
3 54.8% Croatian + 45.2% Georgian @ 2.88
4 57% Croatian + 43% Abhkasian @ 3.02
5 54.7% Romanian + 45.3% Lezgin @ 3.04
6 51.4% Serbian + 48.6% Lezgin @ 3.12
7 52.9% Serbian + 47.1% Adygei @ 3.15
8 54.5% Bulgarian + 45.5% Chechen @ 3.19
9 56.7% Hungarian + 43.3% Abhkasian @ 3.23
10 50.4% Georgian + 49.6% South_Polish @ 3.25
11 55.6% Bulgarian + 44.4% Lezgin @ 3.27
12 54.6% Serbian + 45.4% North_Ossetian @ 3.33
13 52.8% Adygei + 47.2% Hungarian @ 3.35
14 55.4% Bulgarian + 44.6% Tabassaran @ 3.36
15 58.4% Moldavian + 41.6% Georgian @ 3.36
16 54.5% Hungarian + 45.5% Georgian @ 3.37
17 57.1% Kumyk + 42.9% Croatian @ 3.5
18 60.6% Moldavian + 39.4% Abhkasian @ 3.59
19 57.5% Kumyk + 42.5% Hungarian @ 3.61
20 51.8% South_Polish + 48.2% Abhkasian @ 3.64


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.42
2 North_European 29.42
3 Atlantic_Med 17.01
4 Gedrosia 14.45
5 Southwest_Asian 6.04
6 East_Asian 2.14
7 East_African 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.1
2 Romanians (Behar) 14.34
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.03
4 Greek (Dodecad) 18.42
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.86
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.37
7 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.47
8 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.6
9 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 22.68
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.44
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 23.45
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.63
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.83
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.95
15 TSI30 (Metspalu) 24.13
16 Turks (Behar) 24.95
17 Lezgins (Behar) 25.15
18 Hungarians (Behar) 25.51
19 N_Italian (Dodecad) 25.53
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 26.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 3.7
2 54% Hungarians (Behar) + 46% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.1
3 53.6% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 46.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.26
4 53.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.36
5 61.7% Turks (Behar) + 38.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.54
6 57.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 42.6% German (Dodecad) @ 4.59
7 60.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 39.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.71
8 59.5% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 40.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 4.81
9 63.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 4.98
10 52.9% Armenians (Behar) + 47.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.99
11 53.6% Armenian (Dodecad) + 46.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.05
12 62.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 37.8% English (Dodecad) @ 5.08
13 62% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 38% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
14 62.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 37.9% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
15 68.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 31.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.1
16 63.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.3
17 63.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.6% British (Dodecad) @ 5.33
18 50.6% Turks (Behar) + 49.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.34
19 70.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.34
20 63.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 36.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.37


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 31.62
2 NE-Euro 29.85
3 Baloch 15.59
4 Mediterranean 14.94
5 SW-Asian 5.32
6 Beringian 0.71
7 NE-Asian 0.69
8 Pygmy 0.66
9 Papuan 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 13.38
2 romanian-a (behar) 14.01
3 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 17.35
4 ashkenazi (harappa) 17.73
5 stalskoe (xing) 17.94
6 tuscan (1000genomes) 19.52
7 tuscan (hgdp) 19.77
8 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 19.86
9 tuscan (hapmap) 20.3
10 nogai (yunusbayev) 20.7
11 urkarah (xing) 21.82
12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 22.09
13 kumyk (yunusbayev) 23.05
14 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 24.05
15 lezgin (behar) 24.18
16 turk (behar) 24.45
17 italian (hgdp) 24.47
18 chechen (yunusbayev) 24.75
19 romanian-b (behar) 24.96
20 turkmen (yunusbayev) 25.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.7% romanian-a (behar) + 36.3% lezgin (behar) @ 2.95
2 51.2% utahn-white (hapmap) + 48.8% georgian (harappa) @ 2.97
3 52% n-european (xing) + 48% georgian (harappa) @ 3.04
4 50.9% georgian (harappa) + 49.1% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.06
5 61.3% romanian-a (behar) + 38.7% urkarah (xing) @ 3.12
6 56.4% romanian-a (behar) + 43.6% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.18
7 52.2% slovenian (xing) + 47.8% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.31
8 53.2% hungarian (behar) + 46.8% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.57
9 51.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 48.4% georgian (harappa) @ 3.58
10 62.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 37.4% urkarah (xing) @ 3.65
11 50.4% british (1000genomes) + 49.6% georgian (harappa) @ 3.73
12 57.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 42.3% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.76
13 50.9% azeri (harappa) + 49.1% slovenian (xing) @ 3.88
14 50% hungarian (behar) + 50% azeri (harappa) @ 3.93
15 65.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 34.9% lezgin (behar) @ 3.95
16 53.1% slovenian (xing) + 46.9% kurd (xing) @ 4.07
17 60.1% kumyk (yunusbayev) + 39.9% n-european (xing) @ 4.21
18 60.5% kumyk (yunusbayev) + 39.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 4.26
19 54% hungarian (behar) + 46% kurd (xing) @ 4.28
20 59.1% hungarian (behar) + 40.9% georgian (harappa) @ 4.3


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 34.39
2 Caucasian 30.82
3 Mediterranean 23.8
4 SW_Asian 6.1
5 Siberian 1.25
6 Omo_River 1.16
7 Oceanian 1.1
8 S_Indian 0.5
9 Beringian 0.45
10 E_Asian 0.24
11 Horn_Of_Africa 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 13.48
2 Greek_Thessaly 13.94
3 Bosnian 15.6
4 Macedonian 16.6
5 Bulgarian 17.22
6 Romanian 17.65
7 Albanian 17.81
8 Montenegrin 17.83
9 Tuscan 17.98
10 Italian 19.59
11 Serbian 19.69
12 Chechen 19.96
13 Ashkenazy_Jew 21.71
14 Nogai 22.5
15 Sicilian 22.9
16 Kumyk 23.26
17 Croatian 23.26
18 Balkar 23.6
19 Lezgin 23.94
20 Sephardic_Jew 24.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.3% Bosnian + 43.7% Chechen @ 2.57
2 60.7% Bosnian + 39.3% Lezgin @ 2.6
3 57.9% Armenian + 42.1% Lithuanian @ 2.67
4 55.7% Armenian + 44.3% Belarusian @ 2.93
5 55.3% Armenian + 44.7% Karelian @ 3.07
6 54.9% Armenian + 45.1% Russian @ 3.07
7 50% Kumyk + 50% Croatian @ 3.12
8 53.6% Kumyk + 46.4% Austrian @ 3.14
9 60.8% Turk_Istanbul + 39.2% Lithuanian @ 3.17
10 50.4% Serbian + 49.6% Chechen @ 3.28
11 58.6% Turk_Istanbul + 41.4% Belarusian @ 3.36
12 60.2% Bosnian + 39.8% Kumyk @ 3.37
13 59.1% Azerbaijani + 40.9% Lithuanian @ 3.44
14 52.1% Kumyk + 47.9% Hungarian @ 3.46
15 56.3% Armenian + 43.7% Finnish @ 3.47
16 54.3% Serbian + 45.7% Kumyk @ 3.5
17 54.8% Armenian + 45.2% Mordovian @ 3.57
18 53.3% Kumyk + 46.7% Slovenian @ 3.6
19 56.9% Azerbaijani + 43.1% Belarusian @ 3.61
20 59.4% Macedonian + 40.6% Lezgin @ 3.63

[Jana]

Somebody should forward this thread to Seya, she tested both parents and one of them is full Romanian Moldovan (from south) as far as I know. Other is partly Greek.
Her fully Moldovan parent result would improve this average.

[Scandal]

To what extent do Moldovans from Romania differ from Moldovans from Republic of Moldova, if they differ at all? I mean genetically, of course.
I know it's talked about it in the first post, but can someone sum it up for me? I'm not into genetics


btw: I didn't know there's a Moldova in Romania too before becoming a reader of this forum.

[Nurzat]

But you are just half Moldovan. Your result shouldn't be included in ethnic Moldovan average, just like I don't include mine in Croatian, and by blood I am 75% Croat.
You can add IncelSlayer instead.

but the half Ukrainian half Moldovan mix is all too common for Moldova to exclude it (for Suceava and Botosani counties in Romania, for northern Rep. Moldova and for Chernivtsi oblast' in Ukraine). anyway, we can try with and without me

[Jana]

but the half Ukrainian half Moldovan mix is all too common for Moldova to exclude it (like for Suceava and Botosani counties, for Rep. Moldova and for Moldovans in Chernivtsi oblast). anyway, we can try with and without me

I like how OP does it, separate average for full Moldovans and mixed Moldovans like you, so both are included but separate.

[Jana]

Distance to: IncelSlayer

4.03972771 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
4.18628714 Croatian
4.91325758 Bosniak_Tuzla
5.00962777 Slovenian
5.52668979 Moldavian

[Aspirin]

btw: I didn't know there's a Moldova in Romania too before becoming a reader of this forum.