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    Thought this guy was kermani due to username, but is actually irani from india, born in india:




    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 32.18
    2 Gedrosia 29.18
    3 Southwest_Asian 11.96
    4 South_Asian 9.26
    5 North_European 8.11
    6 Atlantic_Med 7.37
    7 Siberian 1.02
    8 East_African 0.92
    9 East_Asian 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Iranians (Behar) 7.89
    2 Iranian (Dodecad) 9.51
    3 Kurd (Dodecad) 11.26
    4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 12.4
    5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 12.7
    6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 17.68
    7 Turks (Behar) 20.13
    8 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 21.19
    9 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.88
    10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 22.42
    11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 23.48
    12 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 23.61
    13 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 24.06
    14 Assyrian (Dodecad) 24.15
    15 Lezgins (Behar) 24.17
    16 Lebanese (Behar) 24.55
    17 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 24.55
    18 Syrians (Behar) 25.2
    19 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 25.21
    20 Armenian (Dodecad) 26.1

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 32.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 2.32
    2 62.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 37.9% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.51
    3 78.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 21.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 2.92
    4 80.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 19.6% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 3.02
    5 79.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 20.1% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 3.25
    6 54.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 45.6% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.41
    7 81.6% Kurd (Dodecad) + 18.4% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 3.42
    8 80.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 19.1% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 3.51
    9 60.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 39.4% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.59
    10 60.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 39.3% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.59
    11 54.5% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 45.5% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.65
    12 81.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 18.7% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 3.66
    13 80.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 19.8% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 3.76
    14 82.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 17.7% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 3.79
    15 82.6% Kurd (Dodecad) + 17.4% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 3.8
    16 55.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 44.9% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.81
    17 80.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 19.5% Indian (Dodecad) @ 3.82
    18 83.6% Iranian (Dodecad) + 16.4% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 3.83
    19 83% Kurd (Dodecad) + 17% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 3.85
    20 83.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 16.1% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 3.85




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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    That's what people from Azerbaijan call their language. . Anatolian Turks are genetically closest to Azerbaijani Turks, not to Greeks, Georgians or Arabs. Persians don't carry much genes of Proto-Iranians either, yet you will still claim ancient Parthians(whose results are posted and very different from modern Iranians).Heck compare a Lur to a Proto-Iranic or modern day Baloch, Pasthun, he will be distant to those people and barely have ancestry of those but still will speak the language of these people.
    It doesn't concern me what people from Azerbaijan republic (an independent state) are calling themselves as I do not belong to that state. I care about Iran where I was born and in Iran and esp among educated classes nobody introduces themselves as Turk this and Persian that. People tell their origin city or town mostly. That's why we hear surnames like Tabrizi, Kashani, Sherazi, Zanjani etc usually based on where the family has been living for a long time. My own surname is tribal affiliation driven but that is not the usual practice. In Iran the geography matters more than ethnic background because Iran as a nation is built by continuous cultural symbiosis not by single ethnicity dominating others like in other countries neighboring Iran. Current leader of Iran is an Azeri Turk. Next one may also be an Azeri. No one including themselves care who they are by ethnicity.

    Parni were East Iranic Parni. Not a single shred of evidence exists that they were something else.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    Anatolian Turks are genetically closest to Azerbaijani Turks, not to Greeks, Georgians or Arabs.
    You are wrong. Azerbaijanis from Iran on average cluster close to neighboring Iranic Kurds around them. I would rather believe in peer reviewed published papers comprising of averages of hundreds of people than few results here and there that can serve as someones biased agenda.



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    And Anatolian Turkish themselves are majorly native people. Look at the average Turkish autosomal proportions and compare it to Iranians, Armenians and to some extent also neighboring Syrians. Then compare it to other Turkic like Uzbeks.



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    This is a Turkish paper itself which puts CA Turkoman influence in Turkish population is at ~20-22 % on average. If Turkish are like 78-80 % on average native to their geography then obviously neighbouring Median Iranian origin population will cluster closer to them because of proximity. It makes perfect sense. None of the populations of these regions on average cluster close to CA Turkic populations. Admixture and layering is there but saying that they are the same thing is plainly wrong.

    https://doi.org/10.1186%2F1471-2164-15-963

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    Persians don't carry much genes of Proto-Iranians either, yet you will still claim ancient Parthians(whose results are posted and very different from modern Iranians).Heck compare a Lur to a Proto-Iranic or modern day Baloch, Pasthun, he will be distant to those people and barely have ancestry of those but still will speak the language of these people. But you will never say those people are Elamites and have nothing to do with Iranics.
    It matters none because same logic applies to any racial group on earth. How much genetic similarity A Muhacir Turkish has with Kazakh Turkic ? Yet both are Turkic right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    You are 1/4 Turk
    % doesn't matter since my male line is purely Ghavanloo or Qoyunlu Qajar and is part of my extended surname as well and my multi ethnic family (Paternal Azeri - Maternal Kurdish) cherishes both origins. I am proud (not in a toxic way) of my warrior kizilbas lineage and nothing can change that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    Saying "Azeri Bayat" is an oxymoron, Bayat is a Turkmen tribe, one of the 24 Oghuz Turks tribes, which exists in Iraq Turkey, Azerbaycan and Iran, modern borders don't define our heritage.
    If someone belongs to Bayat tribe and his family originates from Tabriz then they are Azeri (geographic origin) and Bayat (tribal origin). Ali Khamenei's grandfather used Tabrizi in his surname but he himself doesn't. Like I said in Iran ethnicity is considered lightly compared to Turkish society where ethnic classification is probably done in a rather more hardcore way. We may have few rotten traitors who fell to Elchibey propaganda in 90s but they are constantly being dealt with and will cease to exist with time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    Also the court and military and court language during the Safavid period was turkish, not "azeri"(this language doesn't exists anymore) or persian, and turkish was the prestige language and many persians were trieing to learn it, compared to modern Iran where turkish education is not even allowed. So you can't claim the heritage of the people who made turkish the court language as a nation which denies this right. Turkey linguistically is more close to the Safavid than Iran today is and will be.
    Thank you for saying nothing in response to Safavid Kurdish male line ancestry. I know its a shocker for most online bigots.

    Safavid Lingua Franca was settled as Persian to accommodate 1) Persian speaking administration 2) provide jobs to newer generation Kizilbas Turkics who were becoming more mainstream. Safavid Shahs literally got entire 1000 page Shahnameh written in Persian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavi...rks_and_Tajiks



    You may assume that Persianization of Iranian society is probably Persian ethnic dominance but in reality it is more of a socio-political glue that binds the nation together and has less to do with Persian ethnicity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    And not all Azerbaijanis are Shia, lots are Sunni in Salmas and Xoy region.
    Iranian Azerbaijanis are 98-99 % Shia and Republic is 70-75 % Shia. That is a very high number coming from neutral sources.

    https://www.pewforum.org/2009/10/07/...im-population/
    https://web.archive.org/web/20100113...population.pdf

    Please provide proof that Salmas and Xoy are majority Sunni. Here is my counter claim, Sunnis in Salmas are literal minorities and are some Shekak and Jalali Kurds while thickest majority Azeris Qaragozlu, Ayromlou etc will be Shias. These areas were populated by Kizilbas Shia muhacirs who Prince Abbas Mirza Qajar personally settled there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    You are some weird Pan-Iranist Shiaist Georgian-Kurd-Turk mixed guy.
    That is exactly what I am and so were people who defeated ottoman invader multiple times. Last proper battle between Iran and Turkey resulted into a half Azeri half Gorji Iranian Prince delivering a crushing defeat to Ottomans at Erzurum deep inside Turkish territory. Now his Dawlatshahi descendants live in Tehran mostly and speak Persian. You will never understand Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomansman View Post
    ...
    Faghihi - Fars or Isfahan but could be any type of Persian
    Rad - Best Guess would be Khorasan
    Roy - Not sure
    Enzebati- Could be anyone, means disciplinary or administrative.
    Amolbanin- Likely from Mazandaran, not sure
    Aghazadeh- Likely Azeri but could be someone else as well
    Isadiar- Persian likely
    Rahmati - Could be anyone
    Panahi - Could be anyone but persian likely
    Mashkour - Persian likely
    Wahby- Arab
    Raeesi- Persian and likely southern
    Safaei - Could be anyone but likely persian
    Arefnia - Persian

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    Persians don't carry much genes of Proto-Iranians either, yet you will still claim ancient Parthians(whose results are posted and very different from modern Iranians).Heck compare a Lur to a Proto-Iranic or modern day Baloch, Pasthun, he will be distant to those people and barely have ancestry of those but still will speak the language of these people.
    Very untrue!!

    You'll never see me say that modern Kurds/Persians are 90% Elamite or Zagrosian Neolithic farmer (Iran-N recovered from Kurdish area) but it's very wrong to say that there was no genetic continuity in Kurdistan or Iran from Iran-N times. The truth is there is substantial genetic continuity since Neolithic almost anywhere especially in Kurdistan or Iran.

    The truth is that modern Kurds from Iraq or Iran have 45-60% Iran-N admixture. They would have had higher amounts like Baloch for example if it wasn't for the large influx of Anatolian, Kura Araxes BA, and steppe admixture DILUTING the Iran-N or Elamite admixture in modern Kurds and N Iranians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    North eastern Iranians i believe are closer to Early Iranians who entered Iran. They're like 35-40% similiar to Turkmenistan_IA compared to other Iranians. The calculator i used was from last year so im not sure if it shows the same results.
    I don't know how similar NE Iranians are to Turkmenistan IA, but I can tell you with confidence based on formal stats that Turkmenistan IA is genetically closer to Iraqi Kurds than Haji-Firuz Chl, or Kura-Araxes BA is. I know some maybe surprised.

    It's not closer that Hasanlu-IA is though to Iraqi Kurds.

    Even the average of the 5 Russian Alans are closer to Iraqi Kurds than the earlier Haji-Firuz Chl.

    This is using qpWave using 10 outgroups and Dstats

    Let me know if you want me to post the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoro View Post
    I don't know how similar NE Iranians are to Turkmenistan IA, but I can tell you with confidence based on formal stats that Turkmenistan IA is genetically closer to Iraqi Kurds than Haji-Firuz Chl, or Kura-Araxes BA is. I know some maybe surprised.

    It's not closer that Hasanlu-IA is though to Iraqi Kurds.

    Even the average of the 5 Russian Alans are closer to Iraqi Kurds than the earlier Haji-Firuz Chl.

    This is using qpWave using 10 outgroups and Dstats

    Let me know if you want me to post the results.

    Interesting, I would like to see them.


    I got this:

    Hasanlu_IA

    Hajji_Firuz_ChL 46.2
    Turkmenistan_IA 26.4
    Seh_Gabi_ChL 19.8
    BedouinB 7.5
    Ganj_Dareh_N 0.0
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 0.0
    Mbuti 0.0
    Bhumij 0.0
    Mongolian 0.0
    [1] "distance%=2.8807 / distance=0.028807"

    Hajji_Firuz_IA

    Hajji_Firuz_ChL 37.2
    Turkmenistan_IA 27.9
    Seh_Gabi_ChL 26.9
    BedouinB 3.9
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 3.0
    Mongolian 1.0
    Ganj_Dareh_N 0.0
    Mbuti 0.0
    Bhumij 0.0
    [1] "distance%=1.5644 / distance=0.015644"

    Kurdish

    Hajji_Firuz_ChL 61.70
    Turkmenistan_IA 27.15
    BedouinB 5.25
    Seh_Gabi_ChL 4.55
    Mongolian 1.35
    Ganj_Dareh_N 0.00
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 0.00
    Mbuti 0.00
    Bhumij 0.00
    [1] "distance%=1.1973 / distance=0.011973"

    Iranian_Fars

    Hajji_Firuz_ChL 34.65
    Turkmenistan_IA 33.25
    Seh_Gabi_ChL 20.55
    BedouinB 6.00
    Bhumij 3.10
    Mongolian 2.30
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 0.15
    Ganj_Dareh_N 0.00
    Mbuti 0.00
    [1] "distance%=1.4713 / distance=0.014713"

    Iranian_Zoroastrian

    Turkmenistan_IA 38.25
    Hajji_Firuz_ChL 34.60
    Seh_Gabi_ChL 18.55
    BedouinB 6.35
    Bhumij 2.25
    Ganj_Dareh_N 0.00
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 0.00
    Mbuti 0.00
    Mongolian 0.00
    [1] "distance%=1.3489 / distance=0.013489"

    Iranian_Lor

    Hajji_Firuz_ChL 46.35
    Turkmenistan_IA 24.75
    Seh_Gabi_ChL 18.75
    BedouinB 6.00
    Bhumij 1.80
    Mongolian 1.80
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 0.55
    Ganj_Dareh_N 0.00
    Mbuti 0.00
    [1] "distance%=1.4704 / distance=0.014704"

    Iranian_Mazandarani

    Hajji_Firuz_ChL 45.00
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 28.35
    Turkmenistan_IA 23.50
    Bhumij 2.60
    Mongolian 0.40
    BedouinB 0.15
    Ganj_Dareh_N 0.00
    Seh_Gabi_ChL 0.00
    Mbuti 0.00

    Azeris
    [1] "distance%=1.3714 / distance=0.013714"

    Azeri_Iran

    Hajji_Firuz_ChL 62.1
    Turkmenistan_IA 26.4
    Mongolian 7.2
    BedouinB 4.2
    Ganj_Dareh_N 0.0
    Bhumij 0.0
    Mbuti 0.0
    Seh_Gabi_ChL 0.0
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 0.0

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    Persian from Teheran:

    Gedrosian: 27.84
    Siberian: 1.34
    Northwest_African: 0.00
    Southeast_Asian: 0.00
    Atlantic_Med: 4.83
    North_European: 9.03
    South_Asian 4.73
    East_African 1.83
    Southwest_Asian: 12.16
    East_Asian: 0.32
    Caucasian: 38.18
    SSA: 0.09

    Distance to: Tehran
    4.61108447 Iranian
    5.50925585 Iranian_Fars
    5.58368158 Iran_Mazandaran
    5.79778406 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    6.24531825 Lur_Iran
    6.25011200 Iran_Central_East
    6.25460630 Kurd
    6.61468820 Iranians
    6.94956833 Kurd_Sorani
    7.03520433 Kurds
    7.04682907 Kurd_Kurmanji
    8.00486102 Zaza
    8.13679298 Azerbaijani_Iran
    8.68480858 Iran_Khorasan
    9.52389101 Azerbaijani
    9.76330887 Turkmen_Iraq
    10.29400311 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    10.45987094 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    12.66703596 Turk_Southeast
    14.06094236 Uzbekistan_Jews
    14.41720500 Turkmens
    14.55760282 Turk_East
    15.49768047 Turkmen_Iran
    15.55452667 Parsi_India
    15.71544145 Turk_Central_Eas


    Target: Tehran
    Distance: 1.1017% / 1.10173059 | ADC: 0.25x
    32.2 Iran_Mazandaran
    18.6 Iran_Central_East
    18.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    16.6 Iranian
    10.4 Kurd_Sorani
    2.4 Kurds
    1.6 Ethiopian_Jews


    Some other Persian:

    Gedrosian: 26.19
    Siberian: 0.00
    Northwest_African: 0.79
    Southeast_Asian: 0.00
    Atlantic_Med: 3.76
    North_European: 10.73
    South_Asian 6.00
    East_African 1.74
    Southwest_Asian: 15.19
    East_Asian: 0.34
    Caucasian: 35.25
    SSA: 0.00

    Distance to: Iran9
    5.40448888 Iranian_Fars
    5.65459990 Iran_Central_East
    7.36097140 Kurd_Sorani
    8.81966553 Iranians
    8.82147380 Lur_Iran
    8.86040067 Iran_Khorasan
    8.90769330 Kurd_Kurmanji
    8.92896971 Iranian
    9.27788230 Iran_Mazandaran
    9.30814160 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    9.63236731 Kurd
    9.67965908 Azerbaijani_Iran
    9.97032597 Turkmen_Iraq
    10.34023694 Kurds
    10.40349941 Zaza
    10.46017686 Azerbaijani
    11.99907913 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    12.44194920 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    12.90112398 Turk_Southeast
    14.13433762 Parsi_India
    14.90232197 Turkmens
    15.14181297 Uzbekistan_Jews
    15.15003300 Turkmen_Iran
    16.34074050 Turk_South
    16.48118624 Turk_Central_East


    Target: Iran9
    Distance: 2.3221% / 2.32212819 | ADC: 0.25x
    41.4 Iranian_Fars
    37.4 Iran_Central_East
    14.0 Lezgins
    5.0 Saudis
    1.2 Kurd_Sorani
    0.6 Lithuanian
    0.2 Ethiopians
    0.2 Yemen_Jews
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    Persian + Afshar (from Teheran)

    Gedrosian: 24.98
    Siberian: 2.72
    Northwest_African: 1.04
    Southeast_Asian: 0.00
    Atlantic_Med: 6.00
    North_European: 8.41
    South_Asian 5.53
    East_African 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 11.53
    East_Asian: 3.64
    Caucasian: 35.82
    SSA: 0.19

    Distance to: Persian+Azeri
    5.49599854 Iran_Khorasan
    5.52224592 Iranian_Fars
    5.75630958 Azerbaijani_Iran
    5.88673084 Iran_Central_East
    6.57335531 Azerbaijani
    7.07636206 Kurd_Kurmanji
    7.25837447 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    7.30813246 Kurd_Sorani
    7.48053474 Iranian
    7.80443464 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    7.86429272 Lur_Iran
    8.63764435 Zaza
    8.70760587 Kurd
    8.79865899 Iranians
    8.85124285 Turkmen_Iraq
    9.63786802 Turk_Southeast
    9.66665402 Iran_Mazandaran
    10.03406199 Kurds
    11.09032010 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    11.14881608 Turkmens
    11.44887767 Turkmen_Iran
    12.25039183 Turk_South
    12.74998824 Turk_Central_East
    13.63092440 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
    13.69993431 Turk_Anatolia


    arget: Persian+Azeri
    Distance: 1.3121% / 1.31206169 | ADC: 0.25x
    38.6 Iran_Khorasan
    36.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
    9.4 Iran_Central_East
    9.0 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    6.8 Iranian_Fars
    0.2 JPT30

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    It doesn't concern me what people from Azerbaijan republic (an independent state) are calling themselves as I do not belong to that state. I care about Iran where I was born and in Iran and esp among educated classes nobody introduces themselves as Turk this and Persian that. People tell their origin city or town mostly. That's why we hear surnames like Tabrizi, Kashani, Sherazi, Zanjani etc usually based on where the family has been living for a long time. My own surname is tribal affiliation driven but that is not the usual practice. In Iran the geography matters more than ethnic background because Iran as a nation is built by continuous cultural symbiosis not by single ethnicity dominating others like in other countries neighboring Iran. Current leader of Iran is an Azeri Turk. Next one may also be an Azeri. No one including themselves care who they are by ethnicity.

    Parni were East Iranic Parni. Not a single shred of evidence exists that they were something else.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni



    You are wrong. Azerbaijanis from Iran on average cluster close to neighboring Iranic Kurds around them. I would rather believe in peer reviewed published papers comprising of averages of hundreds of people than few results here and there that can serve as someones biased agenda.



    DOI

    And Anatolian Turkish themselves are majorly native people. Look at the average Turkish autosomal proportions and compare it to Iranians, Armenians and to some extent also neighboring Syrians. Then compare it to other Turkic like Uzbeks.



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    This is a Turkish paper itself which puts CA Turkoman influence in Turkish population is at ~20-22 % on average. If Turkish are like 78-80 % on average native to their geography then obviously neighbouring Median Iranian origin population will cluster closer to them because of proximity. It makes perfect sense. None of the populations of these regions on average cluster close to CA Turkic populations. Admixture and layering is there but saying that they are the same thing is plainly wrong.

    https://doi.org/10.1186%2F1471-2164-15-963



    It matters none because same logic applies to any racial group on earth. How much genetic similarity A Muhacir Turkish has with Kazakh Turkic ? Yet both are Turkic right.



    % doesn't matter since my male line is purely Ghavanloo or Qoyunlu Qajar and is part of my extended surname as well and my multi ethnic family (Paternal Azeri - Maternal Kurdish) cherishes both origins. I am proud (not in a toxic way) of my warrior kizilbas lineage and nothing can change that.



    If someone belongs to Bayat tribe and his family originates from Tabriz then they are Azeri (geographic origin) and Bayat (tribal origin). Ali Khamenei's grandfather used Tabrizi in his surname but he himself doesn't. Like I said in Iran ethnicity is considered lightly compared to Turkish society where ethnic classification is probably done in a rather more hardcore way. We may have few rotten traitors who fell to Elchibey propaganda in 90s but they are constantly being dealt with and will cease to exist with time.



    Thank you for saying nothing in response to Safavid Kurdish male line ancestry. I know its a shocker for most online bigots.

    Safavid Lingua Franca was settled as Persian to accommodate 1) Persian speaking administration 2) provide jobs to newer generation Kizilbas Turkics who were becoming more mainstream. Safavid Shahs literally got entire 1000 page Shahnameh written in Persian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavi...rks_and_Tajiks



    You may assume that Persianization of Iranian society is probably Persian ethnic dominance but in reality it is more of a socio-political glue that binds the nation together and has less to do with Persian ethnicity.



    Iranian Azerbaijanis are 98-99 % Shia and Republic is 70-75 % Shia. That is a very high number coming from neutral sources.

    https://www.pewforum.org/2009/10/07/...im-population/
    https://web.archive.org/web/20100113...population.pdf

    Please provide proof that Salmas and Xoy are majority Sunni. Here is my counter claim, Sunnis in Salmas are literal minorities and are some Shekak and Jalali Kurds while thickest majority Azeris Qaragozlu, Ayromlou etc will be Shias. These areas were populated by Kizilbas Shia muhacirs who Prince Abbas Mirza Qajar personally settled there.



    That is exactly what I am and so were people who defeated ottoman invader multiple times. Last proper battle between Iran and Turkey resulted into a half Azeri half Gorji Iranian Prince delivering a crushing defeat to Ottomans at Erzurum deep inside Turkish territory. Now his Dawlatshahi descendants live in Tehran mostly and speak Persian. You will never understand Iran.
    Khameini is not from Tabriz- He's born in Mashdad.
    The thing is you talk so much but don't understand all this can apply to iranics. Azerbaijanis are close to Kurds and Central-east south-eastern Turks than they are to Persians. The "iranic" Kurds themself don't descent primarly from Proto-iranic ancestry themself, majority of their ancestry is from CHG, Kura-Araxes population, so Azerbaijanis being close to them doesn't make them Iranic genetically- If they would be close to Kangju, Parthians,Dahae, Sartmas then you could argue that. Telling that Turks are majority non-turkic applies also to Persians, Kurds etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    Khameini is not from Tabriz- He's born in Mashdad.
    The thing is you talk so much but don't understand all this can apply this iranics. Azerbaijanis are close to Kurds and Central-east south-eastern Turks than they are to Persians. The "iranic" Kurds themself don't descent primarly from Proto-iranic ancestry themself, majority of their ancestry is from CHG, Kura-Araxes population, so Azerbaijanis being close to them doesn't make them Iranic genetically- If they would be close to Kangju, Parthians,Dahae, Sartmas then you could argue that.
    His father is from Tabriz, mother from Yazd

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