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    Quote Originally Posted by andre View Post
    Just a question; i saw that a lot of Kraijna Serbs score some celto-germanic ancestry,Why?

    There have been so much germans in the area that impact in autosomal dna of the local slavs?
    Other Serbs also can score some celto-germanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre View Post
    Just a question; i saw that a lot of Kraijna Serbs score some celto-germanic ancestry,Why?

    There have been so much germans in the area that impact in autosomal dna of the local slavs?
    Not a lot, actualy. As you can see, all these people I post is Krajina Serbs and lot of them (including me) have 0% Celto-Germanic.
    Some Serbs indeed have it. My theory is that admixture came from migration of west Slavs to Balkans, from Czech land, that was prevously inhabited by Celts, who got assimilated by Slavs.

    There were no German settlers in Krajina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Not a lot, actualy. As you can see, all these people I post is Krajina Serbs and lot of them (including me) have 0% Celto-Germanic.
    Some Serbs indeed have it. My theory is that admixture came from migration of west Slavs to Balkans, from Czech land, that was prevously inhabited by Celts, who got assimilated by Slavs.

    There were no German settlers in Krajina.
    Germanic influence can be from various sources.

    Before Slavic migration Goths were present in western Balkan and Gepids in modern Vojvodina, in Belgrade and part of Šumadija.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gepids..._of_the_Gepids
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrogothic_Kingdom
    Slavs for sure absorbed some Goths and Gepids, we have Macure I1-Z63 who probably carry "Gothic" paternal line.

    In late 11th century Normans from southern Italy lead by Robert Guiscard attacked Byzantine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...the_Byzantines
    We have Drobjak clan I1-P109 whose paternal ancestor probably arrived as Norman in late 11th century.

    In 13th century Saxon miners settled in Serbia and Bosnia, I2-M223 and R1b-U106 among Serbs is from them and possible some I1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons_in_medieval_Serbia

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    Some more my matches from Gedmatch

    Krajina Serb surname Bogdanović

    Богдановић – Бабин поток (Врховине), Бротња, Госпић, Оточац, Срб, Вребац, Врховине
    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 32.66
    2 North_Atlantic 22.44
    3 West_Med 16.44
    4 East_Med 12.91
    5 West_Asian 11.43
    6 Red_Sea 1.85
    7 Siberian 1.76
    8 Amerindian 0.2
    9 East_Asian 0.19
    10 Oceanian 0.1
    11 South_Asian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Moldavian 3.85
    2 Serbian 7.02
    3 Croatian 7.14
    4 Romanian 8.72
    5 Bulgarian 10.02
    6 Hungarian 10.28
    7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.63
    8 Ukrainian 13.93
    9 South_Polish 14.04
    10 Austrian 14.32
    11 East_German 15.04
    12 Southwest_Russian 16.77
    13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.88
    14 Polish 17.29
    15 Greek_Thessaly 18.8
    16 Russian_Smolensk 18.85
    17 Estonian_Polish 19.45
    18 Tatar 19.61
    19 Belorussian 20.23
    20 Kargopol_Russian 20.5

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.1% Moldavian + 6.9% Cyprian @ 2.46
    2 94.2% Moldavian + 5.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.56
    3 77.3% Moldavian + 22.7% Bulgarian @ 2.59
    4 94.2% Moldavian + 5.8% Samaritan @ 2.61
    5 94% Moldavian + 6% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.63
    6 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% Assyrian @ 2.63
    7 90.1% Moldavian + 9.9% Central_Greek @ 2.65
    8 94.2% Moldavian + 5.8% Armenian @ 2.67
    9 94.4% Moldavian + 5.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.69
    10 93.8% Moldavian + 6.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.7
    11 94.4% Moldavian + 5.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.72
    12 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.75
    13 90.9% Moldavian + 9.1% East_Sicilian @ 2.76
    14 91.8% Moldavian + 8.2% South_Italian @ 2.77
    15 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.77
    16 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% Syrian @ 2.81
    17 93.3% Moldavian + 6.7% Turkish @ 2.82
    18 93.1% Moldavian + 6.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.83
    19 91.5% Moldavian + 8.5% Ashkenazi @ 2.83
    20 56.2% Bulgarian + 43.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.86



    Very similar to mine K13 result




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    Krajina Serb surname Zeljković

    Зељковић – Дугопоље (Срб)
    This one is from village of my grandma


    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 28.2
    2 North_Atlantic 22.3
    3 West_Med 18.58
    4 East_Med 18.44
    5 West_Asian 7.68
    6 Red_Sea 2.19
    7 Amerindian 1.34
    8 Oceanian 1.27

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Romanian 5.4
    2 Bulgarian 5.65
    3 Serbian 6.05
    4 Moldavian 9.55
    5 Croatian 11.95
    6 Hungarian 12.97
    7 Greek_Thessaly 13.25
    8 Austrian 16.24
    9 East_German 17.59
    10 North_Italian 17.93
    11 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.21
    12 Tuscan 18.31
    13 South_Polish 19.16
    14 Ukrainian 19.3
    15 Italian_Abruzzo 20.27
    16 Central_Greek 20.44
    17 West_German 20.99
    18 West_Sicilian 21.08
    19 French 21.4
    20 East_Sicilian 21.54

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 59.7% Greek_Thessaly + 40.3% Ukrainian @ 3.1
    2 65.4% Greek_Thessaly + 34.6% Estonian_Polish @ 3.12
    3 69.7% Greek_Thessaly + 30.3% Lithuanian @ 3.16
    4 71.8% Croatian + 28.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.33
    5 63.4% Greek_Thessaly + 36.6% Polish @ 3.33
    6 66.1% Greek_Thessaly + 33.9% Belorussian @ 3.34
    7 52.8% Croatian + 47.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.42
    8 65.3% Greek_Thessaly + 34.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.45
    9 60.6% Ukrainian + 39.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.46
    10 58.3% Greek_Thessaly + 41.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.49
    11 69.5% Greek_Thessaly + 30.5% Estonian @ 3.51
    12 72% Croatian + 28% Italian_Jewish @ 3.52
    13 66.1% Croatian + 33.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.54
    14 60.7% Ukrainian + 39.3% Italian_Jewish @ 3.56
    15 85% Bulgarian + 15% Estonian_Polish @ 3.68
    16 56.3% Ukrainian + 43.7% South_Italian @ 3.68
    17 59.6% Greek_Thessaly + 40.4% South_Polish @ 3.72
    18 63.4% Greek_Thessaly + 36.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.72
    19 81.8% Bulgarian + 18.2% Ukrainian @ 3.77
    20 87.5% Bulgarian + 12.5% Lithuanian @ 3.77

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    Serbian woman from Krajina.

    #Population Percent
    1 Baltic 33.19
    2 North_Atlantic 26.83
    3 West_Med 14.73
    4 East_Med 11.61
    5 West_Asian 9.59
    6 Red_Sea 1
    7 Oceanian 0.99
    8 Amerindian 0.85
    9 South_Asian 0.74
    10 Northeast_African 0.47

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance:
    1 Moldavian 2.91
    2 Croatian 3.65
    3 Hungarian 5.97
    4 Serbian 6.67
    5 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.11
    6 Romanian 10.2
    7 Austrian 10.23
    8 East_German 10.71
    9 South_Polish 10.71
    10 Ukrainian 11.41
    11 Bulgarian 12.34
    12 Polish 14.23
    13 Southweet_Russian 14.88
    14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.03
    15 Russian_Smolensk 16.46
    16 Estonian_Polish 17.11
    17 West_German 17.43
    18 Belorussian 17.67
    19 South_Dutch 18.93
    20 Kargopol_Russian 19.09

    Mixed Population Sharing:

    #Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.1% Croatian + 24.9% Romanian @ 1.47
    2 89.1% Croatian + 10.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.5
    3 78.8% Croatian + 21.2% Bulgarian @ 1.57
    4 89.6% Croatian + 10.4% Central_Greek @ 1.62
    5 90.9% Croatian + 9.1% South_Italian @ 1.65
    6 58.4% Romanian + 41.6% Polish @ 1.66
    7 66.7% Croatian + 33.3% Serbian @ 1.71
    8 90.1% Croatian + 9.9% East_Sicilian @ 1.75
    10 93.8% Croatian + 6.2% Armenian @ 1.77
    11 90% Croatian + 10% West_Sicilian @ 1.8
    12 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Cyprian @ 1.82
    13 92.3% Croatian + 7.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.82
    14 92.3% Croatian + 7.7% Italian_Jewish @ 1.83
    15 93.8% Croatian + 6.2% Assyrian @ 1.86
    16 93.4% Croatian + 6.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.87
    17 92.6% Croatian + 7.4% Turkish @ 1.87
    18 93.9% Croatian + 6.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.89
    19 53.6% South_Polish + 46.4% Bulgarian @ 1.9
    20 94.1% Croatian + 5.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 1.92


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    Woman from Bosnia. Serbian father (from Zavidovići), Bosniak mother:

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    The interesting part are her mother's results. This is not the first Bosniak I've seen on gedmatch that has partial Gypsy ancestry. Looks like they're not so pure as you'd guess by how they talk about Serbians in online comments:

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Woman from Bosnia. Serbian father (from Zavidovići), Bosniak mother:

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    The interesting part are her mother's results. This is not the first Bosniak I've seen on gedmatch that has partial Gypsy ancestry. Looks like they're not so pure as you'd guess by how they talk about Serbians in online comments:

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    In NE Bosnia some Gypsies of Muslim religion started to mixing with Bosniaks long time ago. I have found that in Bosniak sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Woman from Bosnia. Serbian father (from Zavidovići), Bosniak mother:

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    The interesting part are her mother's results. This is not the first Bosniak I've seen on gedmatch that has partial Gypsy ancestry. Looks like they're not so pure as you'd guess by how they talk about Serbians in online comments:

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    But the woman herself scores less than 1% South Asian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    But the woman herself scores less than 1% South Asian.
    She probably still scores some South Asian and Middle Eastern on the company estimates, but I don't how much because I have her on FTDNA where I can't check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Serbian woman from Krajina.

    #Population Percent
    1 Baltic 33.19
    2 North_Atlantic 26.83
    3 West_Med 14.73
    4 East_Med 11.61
    5 West_Asian 9.59
    6 Red_Sea 1
    7 Oceanian 0.99
    8 Amerindian 0.85
    9 South_Asian 0.74
    10 Northeast_African 0.47


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    I got her among my matches in Gedmetch. Surname Đurić and she is number 11.

    This is my matches on Gedmatch. All Krajina Serbs (from todays Croatia).
    Green dot 12 is me, and red dot is average dot of these 12 Krajina Serbs.

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