Macedonian Gedmatch kits - 28

[JohnnyP]

Yes, her Aromanian father is very Slavic. He is in between Serb and Romanian average as far as I remember. But there are Vlachs no different than standard north Greeks.
It doesn't make sense Macedonian Slavs are less northern than Aromanians, I think these type of results are not typical for entire North Macedonia.

Correct me if I am wrong.

You are wrong, these gedmatch results are from everywhere (west,central,south,east part) except i think Northwest, these highest Baltic are from Northeast part of country.

[Kaspias]

Yeah ,but thats something like common thing between Macedonians thats going from knee to knee that Torbeshi are purest Macedonians who were Islamized and we call them traitors because they accepted Islam.And i guess they were not mixed with another ethnicities, unless Macedonians who were under many occupations -im talking also about my town North part (Kumanovo) were also populated atleast 20% with Serbs and mixed through time.

We seperate Macedonians from Bulgarians in terms of genetic because they have additional "Torbeshi-like" admixture. I agree that they can be regarded as purest Macedonians, because they were native of the region before Slavs come. All Macedonians have that admixture, but not clean as much as Torbeshi. I'm sure you know it, accepting Islam resulted with preserving Torbesh ethnicity. Otherwise they would be regular Macedonians now.

[JohnnyP]

We seperate Macedonians from Bulgarians in terms of genetic because they have additional "Torbeshi-like" admixture. I agree that they can be regarded as purest Macedonians, because they were native of the region before Slavs come. All Macedonians have that admixture, but not clean as much as Torbeshi. I'm sure you know it, accepting Islam resulted with preserving Torbesh ethnicity. Otherwise they would be regular Macedonians now.

Yeah, from i was saw Torbeshi Baltic would be 14-17 max while from these Macedonian gedmatch kits 18-23 but in average 20-21.Also i noticed Bulgarians have more West Asian and less North Atlantic than Macedonians.
Also these Torbeshi and Macedonians from same region were very similar.

k13 Eurogenes updated.
Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest
9.01726677 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.06078915 Turk_Kazanlik
9.13724247 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.29006459 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.30448279 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.34142387 Greek_Northern-Thrace
9.56564164 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.65286486 Macedonian_Southeast
9.72789803 Macedonian_Greece

[Kaspias]

Can you share Macedonian Turkish results?
Here are only 4 results
https://turkishdnaproject.com/makedonya-turkleri/

Kocani:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.16
2 North_Atlantic 19.62
3 East_Med 18.91
4 West_Med 14.14
5 West_Asian 12.18
6 Red_Sea 2.55
7 South_Asian 2.33
8 Siberian 2.05
9 East_Asian 1.13
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Northeast_African 0.21
12 Amerindian 0.04

Skopje:

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.73
2 West_Asian 21.7
3 West_Med 17.48
4 Baltic 12.76
5 North_Atlantic 9.65
6 Red_Sea 3.69
7 East_Asian 2.35
8 Siberian 1.77
9 South_Asian 1.62
10 Oceanian 0.27

I have more, but I don't have access to my PC now(also suspect some kits are not working). If you are looking for East Eurasian scores this may help: (Skopje N=3, East N=1, South N=5)

[JohnnyP]

@Kaspias

k13 Eurogenes updated.
Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest
9.01726677 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.06078915 Turk_Kazanlik
9.13724247 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.29006459 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.30448279 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.34142387 Greek_Northern-Thrace
9.56564164 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.65286486 Macedonian_Southeast
9.72789803 Macedonian_Greece

[Kaspias]

Yeah, from i was saw Torbeshi Baltic would be 14-17 max while from these Macedonian gedmatch kits 18-23.Also i noticed Bulgarians have more West Asian and less North Atlantic than Macedonians.
Also these Torbeshi and Macedonians from same region were very similar.

k13 Eurogenes updated.
Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest
9.01726677 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.06078915 Turk_Kazanlik
9.13724247 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.29006459 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.30448279 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.34142387 Greek_Northern-Thrace
9.56564164 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.65286486 Macedonian_Southeast
9.72789803 Macedonian_Greece

That's a good point, if you have results for BGR_IA and Scythian Moldova it would be good to see it, too. I'm on mobile so it is a hard process to search for them

Genetic of Bulgarians completely different story. If you ask my personal opinion it is kind of meta-ethnicity in Eastern Balkans.(just like Greeks, Turks) When you look you can see totally unrelated results. It is like one scoring 25 NA and 20 Baltic, and the other scoring 30 Baltic and 15 NA. One can score 8 West Asian and the other is 18.

The less North Atlantic case is common among Pomaks.

[JohnnyP]

That's a good point, if you have results for BGR_IA and Scythian Moldova it would be good to see it, too. I'm on mobile so it is a hard process to search for them

Genetic of Bulgarians completely different story. If you ask my personal opinion it is kind of meta-ethnicity in Eastern Balkans.(just like Greeks, Turks) When you look you can see totally unrelated results. It is like one scoring 25 NA and 20 Baltic, and the other scoring 30 Baltic and 15 NA. One can score 8 West Asian and the other is 18.

The less North Atlantic case is common among Pomaks.

I will try to find now
Yeah Bulgaria no that homogenous because big territory, i think south and southwest part is very similar to Macedonia,southeast more West Asian admixture i guess logically,but it seems north is more like Serbian/Romanian with higher Baltic, i saw north Bulgarian gedmatch with 35 Baltic that was too much.

[Lioncourt]

No fully ethnic Bulgarian can score 35 Baltic, such individual has recent Russian or Ukrainian ancestry.

[Lioncourt]

Genetic of Bulgarians completely different story. If you ask my personal opinion it is kind of meta-ethnicity in Eastern Balkans.(just like Greeks, Turks) When you look you can see totally unrelated results. It is like one scoring 25 NA and 20 Baltic, and the other scoring 30 Baltic and 15 NA. One can score 8 West Asian and the other is 18.

Bulgarians have far from the Greek and Turkish genetic diversity. There are some outliers, but 80% and above fall in Wallachian-Bulgarian cluster. Those plotting with Serbs or Northern Greeks are minority, mostly because Bulgarians today are regionally mixed.

[Kaspias]

Bulgarians have far from the Greek and Turkish genetic diversity. There are some outliers, but 80% and above fall in Wallachian-Bulgarian cluster. Those plotting with Serbs or Northern Greeks are minority, mostly because Bulgarians today are regionally mixed.

This is not the case. Both a Bulgarian who have 30 Baltic and have 18 Baltic will be in same cluster, because spreading of other components(med and WA is decisive factor) are in same parallel which makes them Bulgarian at the end of the day. If one would cluster with Serbs s/he should have totally different breakdown. If you ask me, over 90% of ethnic Bulgarians will be in same cluster.

That's why I stated Eastern Balkans, this is the maximum you can reach in such a small region.