Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[MoroLP]

that Botosani dude is an acquaintance of mine - his father is from Botosani county countryside, a village where some of the people have Ukrainian last name (-iuc ending mostly) but they don't know of any Ukrainian (Ruthenian/Russian) origin. his mom is from Iasi county, therefore Romanian from Moldova region. he certainly genetically looks like an approx 50-50 mix of southwestern Ukrainian and northeastern Romanian. maybe his village was originally Ruthenian and got Romanianized by the 20th century. in Botosani county there's a whole lot of people with Ukrainian-origin last name.

in spite of his probable Ukrainian origin through paternal side, he is a Vlach-centric Romanian nationalist and pan-Balkanist in the idea that all Balkanites are Romanized Dacians/Thracians/Illyrians that then got either Slavicized either continued with Romanian (Vlach) either with their ancestral language (like Albanians). he also places Balkans as up to southern Poland (considers Gorals, Hutsuls, Rusyns to be Vlachs). so basically he considers all Balkanites have an Albanian-like genetic, ethnic and cultural background, which was only slightly displaced genetically/ethnically/culturally, but overall all the Balkanites are rather closely related than not, genetically/ethnically/culturally. so he would consider you as Croat to be an Albanian speaking a Slavo-Dalmat pidgin. he totally desconsiders Carpathian Ukrainians as well, I mean he doesn't consider them Slavic in the slightest, but just Slavic-speaking Romanized Albanians (Vlachs).

Thanks for reply and clarification. As for the second part, interesting point of view, but he's certainly not the first nor the last with such an opinion and nobody can deny his individual right to have it. In the Balkans exist two extreme ideological-cultural perspectives, one Pan-Slavic (etc. medieval) and other autohtonist. Both are wrong and true in the same time, we all have ancestry from one or the other, but in different proportions and these proportions are more similar or of the same value, at least 1/3-1/4, than they would like to accept.

[ixulescu]

He was called out on saying Western Moldova was Russified when you quoted Creanga. He was called out even by this Mik20 person on this thread. He talks like his info is from Sergiu Nicolaescu movies, but refuses "Communist propaganda". The biggest nationalists after the Scoala Ardeleana were the communists.

He should stick to conspiracy fb groups.

are you talking to me?
when did I say Western Moldova was Russified?? put the actual quote.

[ixulescu]

in spite of his probable Ukrainian origin through paternal side, he is a Vlach-centric Romanian nationalist and pan-Balkanist in the idea that all Balkanites are Romanized Dacians/Thracians/Illyrians that then got either Slavicized either continued with Romanian (Vlach) either with their ancestral language (like Albanians). he also places Balkans as up to southern Poland (considers Gorals, Hutsuls, Rusyns to be Vlachs). so basically he considers all Balkanites have an Albanian-like genetic, ethnic and cultural background, which was only slightly displaced genetically/ethnically/culturally, but overall all the Balkanites are rather closely related than not, genetically/ethnically/culturally. so he would consider you as Croat to be an Albanian speaking a Slavo-Dalmat pidgin. he totally desconsiders Carpathian Ukrainians as well, I mean he doesn't consider them Slavic in the slightest, but just Slavic-speaking Romanized Albanians (Vlachs).

Albanians cluster with Northwestern Greeks, not with Southern Slavs. You've been here for like what, 10 years? you should know this by now.
Romanians cluster with Southern Slavs and yes, the Vlach influence (not Albanian) extends to Western Ukraine, Moravian Wallachia and to some degree Gorals.

[ixulescu]

I wonder which ones. Don't wanna start a debate but the Russian Empire is one thing, the USSR (which was dominated by Jews and other minorities and caused tremendous losses and suffering among the Russian population) is another thing. Putin's Russia is also different (total shit in my opinion).

Russia has been an inimical state to Romania, from the beginning to this very day (including in the Soviet period). Somehow Russia has decided in the 18th century that Romanian principalities are its own turf and tried to acquire them by force. Since that effort failed, Russia used every trick in the book to hinder Romania's progress, much like Russia does today to Ukraine, in this unbelievable shitshow that is going on since 2014.

I have Russian and Ukrainian friends, East Slavic culture is something I find close to my heart, but I cannot have warm feelings towards Russia.

[ixulescu]

you and in general anybody should respect the right of any other region to do whatever when it comes to how they choose to relate to their past. you are Romanian-centric over Moldova which is quite offensive for Moldovans. if you southerners tomorrow choose to relate to your past in the Bulgarian empire no Moldovan would give a shit. so leave Moldovans at least those in a separate independent country to decide for their identity. Moldova, you like it or not, has always been a separate state from 14th century to 19th century and then the eastern side of it continued to be from the end of the 20th century. so Moldova has a whole lot of history as a separate entity to Wallachia/Transylvania, so they have the right to respect that separation.

Moldova has been a separate state from Wallachia but they the same population mix, where the Wallachian component was the dominant one, hence the language spoken was exactly the same in both countries. Not only that, but the ruling dynasties were related, the ruling class was formed from the same families, and of course the laws in both countries were very much the same, because the rich wanted to move themselves and property from one country to another unhindered. Even more so, when both Moldova and Wallachia had the same suzerain (like the Ottomans for instance), one country (either Moldova or Wallachia) would have a more autonomous voivode and the other would have a sort of vice-prince, named by the former. So even though the countries were separate, they were ruled as one for most of the medieval era.

Now, I don't have anything against Rep of Moldova being an independent country, but only if it's not planning to become another Transnistria, and it's not justifying its bid for independence with fake history.

[Leto]

Russia has been an inimical state to Romania, from the beginning to this very day (including in the Soviet period). Somehow Russia has decided in the 18th century that Romanian principalities are its own turf and tried to acquire them by force. Since that effort failed, Russia used every trick in the book to hinder Romania's progress, much like Russia does today to Ukraine, in this unbelievable shitshow that is going on since 2014.

I have Russian and Ukrainian friends, East Slavic culture is something I find close to my heart, but I cannot have warm feelings towards Russia.

This is utter bullshit. Khokhols hate everything Russian while Russians see them as equal. They are a fake nation (just like you consider Moldovans to be fake) and their identity is negative, not positive (anti-Russian).

Dude, I suggest you get out of this thread about Gedmatch results. You are clueless about genetics, first prove that you're not a fucking Slav with Romani admixture

[Aspirin]

Moldova has been a separate state from Wallachia but they the same population mix, where the Wallachian component was the dominant one, hence the language spoken was exactly the same in both countries. Not only that, but the ruling dynasties were related, the ruling class was formed from the same families, and of course the laws in both countries were very much the same, because the rich wanted to move themselves and property from one country to another unhindered. Even more so, when both Moldova and Wallachia had the same suzerain (like the Ottomans for instance), one country (either Moldova or Wallachia) would have a more autonomous voivode and the other would have a sort of vice-prince, named by the former. So even though the countries were separate, they were ruled as one for most of the medieval era.

Now, I don't have anything against Rep of Moldova being an independent country, but only if it's not planning to become another Transnistria, and it's not justifying its bid for independence with fake history.

When I want to read some fake history, I just open a book about Romanian history.

[ixulescu]

This is utter bullshit. Khokhols hate everything Russian while Russians see them as equal. They are a fake nation (just like you consider Moldovans to be fake) and their identity is negative, not positive (anti-Russian).

Dude, I suggest you get out of this thread about Gedmatch results. You are clueless about genetics, first prove that you're not a fucking Slav with Romani admixture

Calm down now.

I can certainly see the parallels between Romania-Moldova case and Russia-Ukraine, but for one Ukraine has it's own language and culture and it's 100 years older than Bessarabia (RM), as a Russian gubernia (I don't remember the exact years, don't quote me on this).

So, even though I suspect Ukrainians fake a lot of their history as well (for certain Ukraine started as part of Russia), you should support the will of the people to live in a independent state (like I do for Moldova).

[ixulescu]

When I want to read some fake history, I just open a book about Romanian history.

and then you enjoy the true Moldovan history from Dodon's electoral clips. lots of fun.

[Aspirin]

and then you enjoy the true Moldovan history from Dodon's electoral clips. lots of fun.

Romanian history is on this level:

The official seal of Petru Rares, a 16th century Moldovan ruler, reads like this "Печать ио Романа воевода Земле Молдавской" meaning "the seal of the Romanian Voivode of the Moldovan Country".