So Celts were North Europeans after all?

[Peterski]

Curious in the Canton of Aargau. Origin place of Habsburg's Family. They are positive in U152..

Weird thing is that they are much more Steppe-admixed and much less Neolithic than modern Swiss Germans (let alone Swiss French etc.).

If those samples were Helvetians then Roman conquest must have made Switzerland much more southern-shifted.

They are positive in U152..

Source ???

They are from Swiss Iron Age

Source ???

[Token]

They are from Canton Aargau in Switzerland but how do you know they are Iron Age (supposedly 100 BC) and not Bronze or Copper Age?

Is there any official confirmation that they are dated to ca. 100 BCE?

As noted, they are much more northern-shifted than modern Swiss.

Ask your Polish friend, i'm curious too because i still doubt these samples are Celts.

[Peterski]

Ask your Polish friend, i'm curious too because i still doubt these samples are Celts.

He told me last week - "these samples are from Aargau. But I don't know which period."

The samples are called:

MX188_scaled
MX190_scaled
MX192_scaled
MX195_scaled

Who labelled them as CHE_IA ???

[Lousianaboy]

im mostly celt but y height is very short to be a celt (5 7) but perhaps thats come from my German side, they were short

[Token]

He told me last week - "these samples are from Aargau. But I don't know which period."

The samples are called:

MX188_scaled
MX190_scaled
MX192_scaled
MX195_scaled

Who labelled them as CHE_IA ???

Look at the thread in Anthrogenica, he said they were from the Iron age.

[Peterski]

Maybe he found more info about these samples.

MTA already has them too and they label them as:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...au#post6618330

Germanic Tribe Aargau Switzerland 100 BC

Of course Switzerland in 100 BC wasn't inhabited by Germanic tribes but by Celtic Helvetians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetii

Either way, these samples are much more northern-shifted than modern Swiss Germans.

[Peterski]

Look at the thread in Anthrogenica, he said they were from the Iron age.

Okay so he confirmed it, maybe he emailed the study's authors.

But are they dated to ca. 100 BCE as MTA claims? Or younger?

[Token]

Maybe he found more info about these samples.

MTA already has them too and they label them as:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...au#post6618330

Germanic Tribe Aargau Switzerland 100 BC

Of course Switzerland in 100 BC was not inhabited by Germanic tribes but by Celtic Helvetians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetii

Either way, these samples are much more northern-shifted than modern Swiss Germans.

They are unrealistically northern shifted though, because they actually seems to be even more northern than Scandinavians. I'm not claiming that the samples are broken, but it will be difficult to reconcile with other genetic facts if Celts from Switzerland turns out to be like that.

[Token]

Okay so he confirmed it, maybe he emailed the study's authors.

But are they dated to ca. 100 BCE as MTA claims? Or younger?

I don't know, Davidski got the infos.

[Peterski]

They are unrealistically northern shifted though, because they actually seems to be even more northern than Scandinavians. I'm not claiming that the samples are broken, but it will be difficult to reconcile with other genetic facts if Celts from Switzerland turns out to be like that.

We talked about these samples last week and he said "they're probably Late Neolithic or Bronze Age". So he has changed his mind about it?:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov//biosample/SAMN14206622

Attributes
isolate	MX188
age	not collected
biomaterial provider	Christian Maise/Regine Fellmann, Archaeological Service of the Canton of Aargau
sex	male
tissue	Pars Petrosa

I don't believe in XenophobicPrussian's "Celts were Baque-like" bullshit, but I agree that this would be super weird if they were so northern.