Serbian Autosomal DNA

[Dušan]

Yes, I know.

Your Krajina_Serb 24.71, 31.76, 16.79 etc. is only for Serbs from Croatia without Bosanska Krajina right?

Btw I got 3 new Krajina Serb results (with kits), one is from Lika (Marinko Vukovojac), one is from Kordun or Gorski Kotar (Milan Mamula), and one from East Slavonia (Branko Arsenić).
On SDP Mamula Serbs from Kordun are tested as I2-PH908, and those from Gorski Kotar as I2-Z17855.
Vukovojac is J2b1-M205.

It is only with results of 29 Serbs from Croatia, but we could enlarge it with Bosnian Serbs results and call it West_Serbs_average.

[vbnetkhio]

It is only with results of 29 Serbs from Croatia, but we could enlarge it with Bosnian Serbs results and call it West_Serbs_average.

i'm working on putting together all samples we have.
Krajina Serb average should be Serbs from Croatia + Bosnian Krajina,and Bosnian Serb average should be Serbs from proper Bosnia, if they cluster along these borders. i'm guessing they will.

[Dušan]

i'm working on putting together all samples we have.
Krajina Serb average should be Serbs from Croatia + Bosnian Krajina,and Bosnian Serb average should be Serbs from proper Bosnia, if they cluster along these borders. i'm guessing they will.

Ok, nice. Do you want to I send you all my matches that I use for Krajina Serb average, or you already have these results?

[Jana]

Moldavian average on gedmatch is based on 9 samples, 5 have recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture as Ion Basescul said. Moldavian without recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture are sighificant more southern shifted on average than "Moldavian" average from gedmatch. Moldavian are just little more northern shifted Romanians, Ion debunked paganea how Moldavians are very Slavic genetically.

Full Serbs who are equally or even more northern shifted than German-kaykavian/Croat-Bosniak-Dalmatian/Croat-Serb mixed person Feiichy exist and I know few of them. Hungry Lion is equally northern shifted as Feiichy and all his ancestors are Serbs for centuries in the past, his is not only such example.

He is not, he is more southern than I am.
That's because you concentrate only on Baltic scores.

I score almost 30 north atlantic, my red sea is zero and my east med is below average. Only my west asian is very high, but that peaks in north caucasus and isn't very southern admixture.

[vbnetkhio]

Ok, nice. Do you want to I send you all my matches that I use for Krajina Serb average, or you already have these results?

i have them. do you know of some results from the regions marked as "Podrinje and Posavina" and Rashka on this map?

[Dušan]

i have them. do you know of some results from the regions marked as "Podrinje and Posavina" and Rashka on this map?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Serbia022.png

Unfortunately, no. But if I find any, I will post it here.

[Dušan]

And we should create one unique Serbian average, with all these results, from Krajina, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro.

[Pribislav]

i have them. do you know of some results from the regions marked as "Podrinje and Posavina" and Rashka on this map?

I never saw any Serbian results from Užice-Zlatibor area. Do you have some?

[vbnetkhio]

And we should create one unique Serbian average, with all these results, from Krajina, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro.

here

samples	name	North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub_Saharan
29	Serb_B&H	24.73	31.02	16.87	8.63	14.66	1.72	0.44	0.32	0.66	0.50	0.34	0.09	0.01
37	Serb_Croatia	25.17	30.44	16.79	9.03	14.86	1.33	0.72	0.32	0.54	0.30	0.41	0.07	0.02
53	Serb_Krajina	25.57	30.44	16.72	8.68	14.61	1.55	0.65	0.36	0.60	0.31	0.45	0.04	0.02
32	Montenegrin	25.00	25.68	18.39	9.99	16.90	1.95	0.26	0.25	0.66	0.50	0.23	0.11	0.08
34	Serb_Serbia	24.35	29.99	16.77	9.05	15.98	1.37	0.62	0.21	0.64	0.44	0.39	0.07	0.13
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6	Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina	25.62	30.62	17.50	8.84	13.61	1.85	0.07	0.12	1.02	0.35	0.41	0.00	0.00
6	Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia	21.74	32.26	17.67	8.73	15.74	1.02	1.22	0.17	0.64	0.59	0.24	0.00	0.00
3	Serb_B&H_Herzegovina	23.00	28.00	16.59	10.81	18.66	1.32	0.08	0.32	0.42	0.40	0.34	0.04	0.00
12	Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia	26.33	31.09	15.88	8.64	13.25	2.06	0.39	0.56	0.56	0.60	0.41	0.21	0.03
11	Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun	26.35	30.92	15.88	9.25	13.84	1.46	0.91	0.28	0.32	0.25	0.46	0.08	0.00
10	Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia	25.55	29.00	16.90	9.47	15.37	1.21	0.81	0.19	0.65	0.45	0.34	0.07	0.00
11	Serb_Croatia_Lika	24.02	31.45	17.10	7.94	15.39	1.51	0.74	0.43	0.64	0.22	0.45	0.06	0.04
6	Serb_Croatia_Slavonia	24.18	29.85	17.83	9.49	15.36	1.08	0.47	0.32	0.48	0.49	0.32	0.08	0.06
4	Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina	26.94	29.63	16.91	8.91	14.38	1.26	0.24	0.26	0.64	0.48	0.17	0.20	0.00
28	Montenegrin_South_East	24.73	25.11	18.60	10.14	17.26	2.05	0.26	0.24	0.67	0.51	0.24	0.09	0.09
3	Serb_Serbia_Branicevo	26.18	31.81	15.19	8.27	15.00	1.65	0.47	0.07	0.84	0.27	0.24	0.00	0.00
2	Serb_Serbia_Rasina	23.76	29.23	19.01	10.10	15.03	0.66	0.00	0.23	0.60	0.94	0.00	0.04	0.42
7	Serb_Serbia_Shopluk	23.26	27.95	18.21	9.39	16.66	1.68	0.65	0.09	1.00	0.33	0.47	0.23	0.10
3	Serb_Serbia_South_Kosovo	22.96	25.24	17.00	9.19	22.33	1.37	0.09	0.00	0.84	0.50	0.38	0.00	0.09
4	Serb_Serbia_South_Morava	25.25	31.95	15.97	8.60	15.51	1.03	0.60	0.00	0.16	0.39	0.44	0.00	0.10
1	Serb_Serbia_Timok	27.98	28.63	15.19	10.17	15.46	0.38	0.35	0.00	0.91	0.50	0.00	0.00	0.42
5	Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina	25.13	30.64	15.73	9.35	14.83	1.65	0.57	0.54	0.12	0.44	0.63	0.13	0.22
9	Serb_Serbia_West&Central	23.77	31.33	17.15	8.83	14.77	1.35	0.88	0.31	0.55	0.55	0.44	0.01	0.06

[vbnetkhio]

vahaduo fromat

Serb_B&H,24.73,31.02,16.87,8.63,14.66,1.72,0.44,0.32,0.66 ,0.50,0.34,0.09,0.01
Serb_Croatia,25.17,30.44,16.79,9.03,14.86,1.33,0.7 2,0.32,0.54,0.30,0.41,0.07,0.02
Serb_Krajina,25.57,30.44,16.72,8.68,14.61,1.55,0.6 5,0.36,0.60,0.31,0.45,0.04,0.02
Montenegrin,25.00,25.68,18.39,9.99,16.90,1.95,0.26 ,0.25,0.66,0.50,0.23,0.11,0.08
Serb_Serbia,24.35,29.99,16.77,9.05,15.98,1.37,0.62 ,0.21,0.64,0.44,0.39,0.07,0.13

Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina,25.62,30.62,17.50,8.84,13.61,1.8 5,0.07,0.12,1.02,0.35,0.41,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia,21.74,32.26,17.67,8.73,15.74,1.02,1. 22,0.17,0.64,0.59,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.00,28.00,16.59,10.81,18.66,1.32,0 .08,0.32,0.42,0.40,0.34,0.04,0.00
Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia,26.33,31.09,15.88,8.64,13.25,2. 06,0.39,0.56,0.56,0.60,0.41,0.21,0.03
Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun,26.35,30.92,15.88,9.25, 13.84,1.46,0.91,0.28,0.32,0.25,0.46,0.08,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.55,29.00,16.90,9.47,15.37 ,1.21,0.81,0.19,0.65,0.45,0.34,0.07,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Lika,24.02,31.45,17.10,7.94,15.39,1.5 1,0.74,0.43,0.64,0.22,0.45,0.06,0.04
Serb_Croatia_Slavonia,24.18,29.85,17.83,9.49,15.36 ,1.08,0.47,0.32,0.48,0.49,0.32,0.08,0.06
Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina,26.94,29.63,16.91,8.91 ,14.38,1.26,0.24,0.26,0.64,0.48,0.17,0.20,0.00
Montenegrin_South_East,24.73,25.11,18.60,10.14,17. 26,2.05,0.26,0.24,0.67,0.51,0.24,0.09,0.09
Serb_Serbia_Branicevo,26.18,31.81,15.19,8.27,15.00 ,1.65,0.47,0.07,0.84,0.27,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_Serbia_Rasina,23.76,29.23,19.01,10.10,15.03,0 .66,0.00,0.23,0.60,0.94,0.00,0.04,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Shopluk,23.26,27.95,18.21,9.39,16.66,1 .68,0.65,0.09,1.00,0.33,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Serbia_South_Kosovo,22.96,25.24,17.00,9.19,22 .33,1.37,0.09,0.00,0.84,0.50,0.38,0.00,0.09
Serb_Serbia_South_Morava,25.25,31.95,15.97,8.60,15 .51,1.03,0.60,0.00,0.16,0.39,0.44,0.00,0.10
Serb_Serbia_Timok,27.98,28.63,15.19,10.17,15.46,0. 38,0.35,0.00,0.91,0.50,0.00,0.00,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.13,30.64,15.73,9.35,14.83 ,1.65,0.57,0.54,0.12,0.44,0.63,0.13,0.22
Serb_Serbia_West&Central,23.77,31.33,17.15,8.83,14.77,1.35,0.88,0.3 1,0.55,0.55,0.44,0.01,0.06