Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

[Babak]

You think the persians were happy about the flood of foreign people? many turkish and western historians say that was a big issue for selcuks. Normal people dont care about the ally of your state,if you have to deal with that amount of migrants who came in a little while.

Understandable, however, they integrated into society and became patrons of Persian culture and language. This is why Azerbaijanis exist as an ethnic group. They are known as 'Turks of Iranian history'.

[Kyp]

Understandable, however, they integrated into society and became patrons of Persian culture and language. This is why Azerbaijanis exist as an ethnic group. They are known as 'Turks of Iranian history'.

Yes but this happened much later. If everyone would have integrated they wouldn't went into Anatolia. I think he is referring to the beginning of the Steppe migrations into Khwarezmia and Khorasan.

But I too dont see the big issue. Only people who would have problems with it would be Farmers and Iranian nomads. Iran doesn't have too much land for too many Pastoralists/Nomads I think that's why most went further to the West, some stayed in Northwest.

[Babak]

Yes but this happened much later. If everyone would have integrated they wouldn't went into Anatolia. I think he is referring to the beginning of the Steppe migrations into Khwarezmia and Khorasan.

But I too dont see the big issue. Only people who would have problems with it would be Farmers and Iranian nomads.

Oh ok, i see.

Yea, the urban population didnt seem to be too concerned, but its obvious nomads wouldnt be too happy about it.

With that said, i dont understand what the issue between azeris persians and kurds are. These ethnic groups have been living together for a very long time and worked together to keep the Iranian nation alive.

[Babak]

Yes but this happened much later. If everyone would have integrated they wouldn't went into Anatolia. I think he is referring to the beginning of the Steppe migrations into Khwarezmia and Khorasan.

But I too dont see the big issue. Only people who would have problems with it would be Farmers and Iranian nomads. Iran doesn't have too much land for too many Pastoralists/Nomads I think that's why most went further to the West, some stayed in Northwest.

I believe most Turkic tribes settled in Khorasan and Iranian azerbaijan.

[Dr_Maul]

Oh ok, i see.

Yea, the urban population didnt seem to be too concerned, but its obvious nomads wouldnt be too happy about it.

With that said, i dont understand what the issue between azeris persians and kurds are. These ethnic groups have been living together for a very long time and worked together to keep the Iranian nation alive.

I think most educated people view all ethnic groups in Iran positively, but there are exceptions
Average Persian-> Views Azeris positively, most other people indifferently or negatively
Iranicist Persian-> Views Kurds, Lurs etc as 'Iranic Brothers' views Azeris negatively
Ethnonationalist Persian->Views all minorities as a liability and extra baggage, thinks Persians are the only civilized Iranians
Average Kurd-> Probably Views Persians, Lurs positively and Azeris/Turks in general negatively
Iranicist Kurd-> Views Turks negatively, thinks Kurdish lands in Turkey etc should be part of Greater Iran
Nationalist Kurd-> Views Turks negatively, views Persians negatively for occupying their land
I'm not sure about Azeris, I have not really lived around many of them

[Dr_Maul]

Edit: I forgot the last type
Normal Person: Appreciates all Ethnic groups in Iran for what they contribute to our culture and history

[Kyp]

I think most educated people view all ethnic groups in Iran positively, but there are exceptions
Average Persian-> Views Azeris positively, most other people indifferently or negatively
Iranicist Persian-> Views Kurds, Lurs etc as 'Iranic Brothers' views Azeris negatively
Ethnonationalist Persian->Views all minorities as a liability and extra baggage, thinks Persians are the only civilized Iranians
Average Kurd-> Probably Views Persians, Lurs positively and Azeris/Turks in general negatively
Iranicist Kurd-> Views Turks negatively, thinks Kurdish lands in Turkey etc should be part of Greater Iran
Nationalist Kurd-> Views Turks negatively, views Persians negatively for occupying their land
I'm not sure about Azeris, I have not really lived around many of them

Same with Azeris, educated normal people view all Iranian groups positively but also Turkey and Azerbaijan.
There are some fractions of Pan-Turkists and Nationalistic Iranians who either view Persians/Kurds or Turkey/Azerbaijan negatively but only for political reasons.

And of course Azeris don't like to get insulted for speaking or being "Tork"

[Halgurd]

@Dr Maul

Iranicist Kurds are basically non existent in reality and exist on the internet only.
The average Kurd, as well as many nationalist Kurds, see Iranians as our cultural cousins.

@Babak
The issue between Kurds and Persians is that we have negative historic memories, especially the Battle of Dimdim and the Republic of Mahabad and ofc today there are many political differences. Other than that culturally we don't seem to have any issues and many of us recognise our similarities in that sense.

[Dr_Maul]

Same with Azeris, educated normal people view all Iranian groups positively but also Turkey and Azerbaijan.
There are some fractions of Pan-Turkists and Nationalistic Iranians who either view Persians/Kurds or Turkey/Azerbaijan negatively but only for political reasons.

And of course Azeris don't like to get insulted for speaking or being "Tork"

Yeah although the unfortunate truth is that ethnic tensions will always exist, at least while 14 year olds have access to the internet lol.. the current situation in government isn't helping either

[Babak]

@Dr Maul

Iranicist Kurds are basically non existent in reality and exist on the internet only.
The average Kurd, as well as many nationalist Kurds, see Iranians as our cultural cousins.

@Babak
The issue between Kurds and Persians is that we have negative historic memories, especially the Battle of Dimdim and the Republic of Mahabad and ofc today there are many political differences. Other than that culturally we don't seem to have any issues and many of us recognise our similarities in that sense.

Yea of course. Were all a big family bro.