Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

[Kyp]

Do we already have Sassanid and Parthian samples? Is there a study about this?

The "Sassanid" sample you showed me had 2% East Eurasian DNA. Not far off from the 3-4% we found in the Iron Age East Anatolian sample. And to be fair aren't we really talking about a average 4-7% of East Eurasian ancestry here anways?

Isn't the "Parthian" example just the Turkmenistan_IA sample? So not a Parthian result. Too early.

[Demhat]

Isn't the "Parthian" example just the Turkmenistan_IA sample? So not a Parthian result. Too early.

That's what I thought. Turkmenistan IA sample is Dahae at best. Even from actual Parthian period samples from Turkmenistan and Northeast Iranian would be Parni (Scythian tribe) Allot of people are confusing the Parthians with the early Elite of the Parni.

This sample is more Scythian or Massagetae than anything West Iranic.

[Babak]

I would be thankful if someone could tell me from where this "Sassanid" and "Parthian" samples are from and in which study they were tested. I have been waiting for years for old West Iranic samples. And haven't heard of any study or sample yet.

It was posted by Fedora in this thread. He labeled it as parthian because he claimed they wouldn't be much different from that sample, which i don't doubt. The sassanian sample is accurate though.

[Demhat]

It was posted by Fedora in this thread. He labeled it as parthian because he claimed they wouldn't be much different from that sample, which i don't doubt. The sassanian sample is accurate though.

I am sorry to say that but than Fedora is misinformed. An Iron Age sample from Turkmenistan is most definitely not Parthian. I doubt it is even from the Parni Elite. It is also too early to be Parthian

About the "Sassanid" sample, where is it from and from which time? Can I see the actual study that introduced us to this sample?

I have big doubts about the origin of these samples

[Kyp]

I am sorry to say that but than Fedora seems to not be as informed about the timescale and history and origin of this region. An Iron Age sample from Turkmenistan is most definitely not Parthian. I doubt it is even from the Parni Elite. It is also too early to be Parthian

About the "Sassanid" sample, where is it from and from which time? Can I see the actual study that introduced us to this sample?

I have big doubts about the origin of these samples

labelling him Aryan, Early Indo-Iranic would make more sense imo (for now). Ydna is R1a-z93

[Babak]

I am sorry to say that but than Fedora is misinformed. An Iron Age sample from Turkmenistan is most definitely not Parthian. I doubt it is even from the Parni Elite. It is also too early to be Parthian

About the "Sassanid" sample, where is it from and from which time? Can I see the actual study that introduced us to this sample?

I have big doubts about the origin of these samples

Axelredneck posted this, but im not sure where he got it:


Sassanian 1430-1485 CE

Gedrosia 24.42 Pct
Siberian 1.63 Pct
Northwest_African 1.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.93 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.86 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Caucasus 39.29 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct

Distance to: Ganj_Dareh_His
6.65560666 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.14205153 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.14205153 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.69040961 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.35496858 Azerbaijani
8.37251456 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.58128778 Iran_Central_East
8.64250542 Iranian
8.78799750 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.85366591 Zaza
9.37118456 Kurd_Sorani
9.40927734 Iran_Khorasan
9.41502523 Iranian_Fars
9.78289834 Iran_Mazandaran
10.26444835 Kurds
10.30237351 Kurd
10.42784733 Lur_Iran
11.50329518 Turkmen_Iraq
11.54196690 Turk_Southeast
11.80012288 Iranians
12.93724855 Turk_East
13.45886697 Turk_Central_East
13.74012373 Turk_South
14.20730446 Circassian
14.34555332 Kumyks

[Demhat]

labelling him Aryan, Early Indo-Iranic would make more sense imo (for now). Ydna is R1a-z93

Correct. That's definitely not a Parthian sample. I would consider it Parni tribe but even for that it is a little too early it seems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni

Some early middle Iranic period iranic sample makes more sense.

[Kyp]

Correct. That's definitely not a Parthian sample. I would consider it Parni tribe but even for that it is a little too early it seems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni

Some early middle Iranic period iranic sample makes more sense.

I imagine Parthians more like modern Turkmens without the excess of East Eurasian. But hard to tell without samples.

[Demhat]

Axelredneck posted this, but im not sure where he got it:


Sassanian 1430-1485 CE

Gedrosia 24.42 Pct
Siberian 1.63 Pct
Northwest_African 1.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.93 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.86 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Caucasus 39.29 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct

Distance to: Ganj_Dareh_His
6.65560666 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.14205153 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.14205153 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.69040961 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.35496858 Azerbaijani
8.37251456 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.58128778 Iran_Central_East
8.64250542 Iranian
8.78799750 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.85366591 Zaza
9.37118456 Kurd_Sorani
9.40927734 Iran_Khorasan
9.41502523 Iranian_Fars
9.78289834 Iran_Mazandaran
10.26444835 Kurds
10.30237351 Kurd
10.42784733 Lur_Iran
11.50329518 Turkmen_Iraq
11.54196690 Turk_Southeast
11.80012288 Iranians
12.93724855 Turk_East
13.45886697 Turk_Central_East
13.74012373 Turk_South
14.20730446 Circassian
14.34555332 Kumyks

Seriously 1430 CE sample while Sassanid Empire (650 CE) was gone 7-800 years earlier

Why did you believe that?

[Babak]

Seriously 1430 CE sample while Sassanid Empire (650 CE) was gone 7-800 years earlier

Why did you believe that?

I mean, doesn't seem too far off tbh bro. NE euro is higher and a bit less sw asian.