Serbian Autosomal DNA

[Jana]

How come Bosnian and Dalmatian Croats are so similiar to Serbs in Gedmatch but in 23andMe the difference in East Euro is like 15%. Thats the case in most of my matches.

Mine too. Croats score significantly more EE.
Here is how southern Croats score on vahaduo

Distance to: Croat_Dalmatia

1.33379159 Serb_Krajina
1.42523682 Serb_B&H
1.63082801 Serb_Croatia
1.66054208 Bosniak
2.31253108 Croat_Tropolje
2.34458952 Croat_Herzegovina
2.57186703 Croat_BiH
2.62590937 Serb_Dalmatia
2.66493902 Serb
2.81455905 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.89770599 Serb_Serbia
2.96986532 Croat_Bosnia
3.76686873 Croat_Lika-Senj
4.08192357 Szekely_Hungarian
4.20279669 Moldova_North
4.64151915 Serb_Belgrade
4.80068745 Croat
4.88405569 Romanian
4.98708332 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.13451069 Romania_Moldavia_average
5.30676926 Moldova_Centre
5.34991589 Serb_Shopluk
5.35981343 Croat_Croatia
5.64093964 Croat_Zagreb
5.70992119 Romania_Moldavia_South

Distance to: Croat_Bosnia

1.84021738 Croat_BiH
1.84645607 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.61866378 Croat_Herzegovina
2.64866004 Szekely_Hungarian
2.78677233 Bosniak
2.84856104 Croat
2.96986532 Croat_Dalmatia
3.07162823 Croat_Tropolje
3.15767319 Serb_Krajina
3.20125642 Bosniak_Sarajevo
3.38879034 Croat_Croatia
3.46707369 Serb_B&H
3.64802686 Croat_Zagreb
3.65347780 Serb_Croatia
3.66766956 Moldova_North
4.24185101 Serb_Dalmatia
4.70693106 Bosniak_Tuzla
4.72614007 Serb
4.76239436 Serb_Serbia
5.00491034 Slovenian
5.03179888 Csango_Gymes
5.36435457 Croat_Central_Croatia
5.80939756 Hungarian
6.39845294 Serb_Belgrade
6.65114276 Romania_Moldavia_North

Distance to: Croat_Herzegovina

1.36521061 Croat_BiH
1.65902059 Bosniak_Sarajevo
1.72577519 Bosniak
2.10152326 Serb_B&H
2.21826509 Croat_Tropolje
2.34458952 Croat_Dalmatia
2.45930885 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.47489394 Serb_Krajina
2.55164653 Serb_Croatia
2.61866378 Croat_Bosnia
3.27716341 Moldova_North
3.44215049 Serb_Serbia
3.55061966 Serb_Dalmatia
3.56732393 Szekely_Hungarian
3.80825419 Serb
4.20220180 Croat
4.81868239 Croat_Croatia
4.98511785 Bosniak_Tuzla
5.14708655 Croat_Zagreb
5.24655125 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.33802398 Moldova_Centre
5.54488954 Serb_Belgrade
5.80068099 Romanian
5.94049661 Romania_Moldavia_average
6.20149982 Csango_Gymes

[Jana]

You need to keep in mind I don't cherrypick and select only verified samples.
I also included academics form Split for example, who were low quality and pretty southern shifted for Croats.

If academic samples from Belgrade would be included in general Serb and Serb_Serbia average it will pull them further from Croats.
And ofcourse by adding Montenegrins and southern Serbs as separate regions to calculate the average.

It's all about being weighted.

[Dušan]

2 grandparents from Kistanje, 1 from Plitvice. Lived there for a few centuries and then believed to have come from Montenegro

Nice. One more Krajina Serb here.

Welcome again, dear.

[Dušan]

These are my results. 3/4 Serbian 1/4 Croatian ancestry

North_Atlantic 29.01 Pct
Baltic 29.62 Pct
West_Med 13.46 Pct
West_Asian 7.43 Pct
East_Med 15.55 Pct
Red_Sea 2.64 Pct
South_Asian 1.06 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Amerindian 0.62 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct

This is your results.

with old Gedmatch Serbian result.




with new Serb averages that user vbnetkhio added.

[Jana]

This is your results.

with old Gedmatch Serbian result.




with new Serb averages that user vbnetkhio added.

Croatian averages are added too and stop being ridiculous by using that ''average'' which consists of 1 person from Zagreb with pretty atypical scores.

[Dušan]

New Serbian averages created on Poreklo forum.

Serb_Banija-Kordun,26.34,31.70,16.02,8.98,13.50,1.26,0.74,0.31 ,0.34,0.34,0.36,0.10,0
Serb_Dalmatia,25.86,29.8,16.58,9.16,15.27,1,0.49,0 .18,0.76,0.45,0.31,0.07,0.06
Serb_Krajina,25.39,31.20,16.65,8.69,14.35,1.42,0.6 7,0.27,0.53,0.40,0.33,0.07,0.03
Serb_Lika,24.63,31.53,17.16,7.93,14.54,1.75,0.72,0 .31,0.57,0.41,0.36,0.03,0.05
Serb_Serbia,24.77,29.72,16.87,8.91,15.98,1.30,0.69 ,0.25,0.61,0.49,0.27,0.04,0.09

[vbnetkhio]

How come Bosnian and Dalmatian Croats are so similiar to Serbs in Gedmatch but in 23andMe the difference in East Euro is like 15%. Thats the case in most of my matches.

this is why:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...cestry-results

[Dušan]

Lukasz, you should update Serbian average with these results https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6641220 and those that vbnetkhio posted https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6639575

If you inserted Croatian averages for every fucking village, what is your problem with not updating Serbian averages?

[vbnetkhio]

Yes, as I always said, we are pretty homogeneous people, no matter from what geographic region came.

Good results as always vbnetkhio, still, I think that average for Serbs from Krajina ("croatia") is a bit more northern. I dont know what samples you used, but this is my Krajina Serb average.

Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

i included only those with gedcoms or who confirmed their ancestry to Mingle. maybe Dalmatians are overrepresented in the sample, notice how the average is very similar to the Dalmatian Serb average from Poreklo.

[Pribislav]

i included only those with gedcoms or who confirmed their ancestry to Mingle. maybe Dalmatians are overrepresented in the sample, notice how the average is very similar to the Dalmatian Serb average from Poreklo.

About Serbian genetic should be included only Serbs, not Pashtuns from USA.

Btw, I have some Serbian kits which are not included in any Serbian average, but doesn't matter now. For example Dalmatian Serb Petar Tintor is not in your neither in Poreklo average 20200419_144934.jpg