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    Target: PT_Tagus_scaled
    Distance: 1.5948% / 0.01594825

    68.2 Celtic
    17.4 Mozabite
    14.4 ImperialRoman


    Code:
    Distance to:	PT_Tagus_scaled
    0.05577007	Celtic:SX18_scaled
    0.05921142	Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_44
    0.06032000	Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_50
    0.06051921	Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA_OTTM_151ind2_d
    0.06224875	Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20
    0.06415807	Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
    0.06508631	Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
    0.07199948	Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016
    0.07371635	Celtic:DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3_WEZ57
    0.07375606	Iberia_Southwest_BA
    0.07478856	Celtic:Constance_MX283
    0.07540233	Celtic:Constance_MX254_2
    0.07564761	Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_AITI_119
    0.07882293	Iberia_Central_BA
    0.09077524	Germanic:DEU_MA
    0.09507416	ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
    0.09739254	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:Scotland_LBA
    0.19589071	Mozabite

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    Target: Pedro_scaled
    Distance: 1.3048% / 0.01304787
    58.6 Celtic
    19.6 Mozabite
    11.0 Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker
    10.8 ImperialRoman

    Distance to: Pedro_scaled
    0.05877906 CelticEU_Lech_EBA_POST_44
    0.06023748 Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20
    0.06078537 Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
    0.06182685 Celtic:SX18_scaled
    0.06442609 CelticEU_Lech_MBA_OTTM_151ind2_d
    0.06478785 CelticEU_Lech_EBA_POST_50
    0.06719431 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
    0.07174543 CelticEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3_WEZ57
    0.07304131 Celtic:Constance_MX254_2
    0.07441181 CelticEU_Lech_EBA_AITI_119
    0.07509477 Celtic:Constance_MX283
    0.07901192 Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016
    0.08217015 Iberia_Central_BA
    0.08989363 Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:Scotland_LBA
    0.09265209 Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:England_MBA
    0.09849515 GermanicEU_MA:AED_249
    0.10283190 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
    0.10684926 GermanicEU_MA:AED_106
    0.10785546 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
    0.11445099 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
    0.19596904 Mozabite
    Target: Pedro_scaled
    Distance: 0.6354% / 0.00635357
    54.2% Iberia
    21.6% Scotland
    12.4% North Africa (Tunisian Berber)
    8.6% Italia (Lazio)
    2.4% West Africa (Gambian)
    0.8% South America (Amerindian Caribe)

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    Creoda's model:

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    Target: Viriato_scaled
    Distance: 1.7323% / 0.01732257
    60.0	Celtic
    13.0	ImperialRoman
    12.4	Mozabite
    10.0	Italic
    2.8	Germanic
    1.8	Iberia_Central_BA

    Also reposting his model without the multiple spaces because it wasn't working:

    Code:
    ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,0.1069937,0.1486057,-0.0248897,-0.0551253,0.0057443,-0.016083,-0.0018017,-0.003769,0.0008863,0.0154293,0.007091,0.0059443,-0.008325,0.000642,-0.0068313,-0.0010607,0.008388,-0.001098,0.004483,0.0007087,-0.001539,0.002267,0.0031223,0.0018077,0.0015967
    Celtic:SX18_scaled,0.126344,0.152329,0.048271,-0.00646,0.051394,-0.007251,0.0047,-0.000692,0.016362,0.035354,0.002598,0.016485,-0.016055,-0.006055,0.001629,0.000663,0.006128,0.00266,0.003897,-0.006628,0.006364,0.006183,-0.011709,-0.006145,0.000958
    Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_AITI_119,0.121791,0.140143,0.05242,0.026486,0.040623,0.003068,0.001175,0.001154,0.003477,0.017859,-0.001299,0.01124,-0.020961,-0.019818,0.01045,0.02201,0.01708,-0.0019,0.009679,0.002376,0.007986,0.003957,-0.005053,0.000964,0.008382
    Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_44,0.124067,0.144205,0.056568,0.008721,0.04924,-0.001952,-0.00188,0.000692,0.008795,0.028247,0.001299,0.009292,-0.017988,-0.003028,0.005293,0.008353,-0.002608,-0.00266,0.004525,0.001126,-0.008235,-0.008285,-0.001356,-0.002651,-0.003233
    Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_50,0.120652,0.153345,0.043746,-0.002584,0.052933,-0.003347,-0.00329,-0.002077,0.022293,0.031162,-0.005846,0.008692,-0.022299,-0.010459,-0.002172,0.014585,0.021253,0.004307,0.001257,-0.005753,0.00262,0.000124,0.002835,-0.005181,-0.010418
    Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA_OTTM_151ind2_d,0.127482,0.156392,0.047894,0.005491,0.04647,-0.011435,0.00329,0.011538,0.010022,0.031345,0.006496,0.012889,-0.012487,-0.01156,-0.0095,0.000796,0.001565,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.005753,-0.002995,0.009521,-0.001356,-0.006386,-0.011855
    Celtic:DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3_WEZ57,0.129758,0.142174,0.050911,0.039406,0.044316,0.007251,-0.004935,0.008538,0.028429,0.024237,0.007957,0.007194,-0.008622,-0.012248,-0.000407,0.004906,-0.000652,0.001014,-0.003017,0.000375,0.012852,0.009645,-0.009983,0.005784,-0.004071
    Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111,0.124067,0.151314,0.063356,0.026163,0.0437,0.005857,0.001175,0.002308,0.020861,0.02442,-0.012342,0.00015,-0.01665,-0.003165,0.014658,-0.009546,-0.018254,0.003801,0.005908,0.001626,0.009858,0.006059,-0.004437,-0.005904,-0.005269
    Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20,0.129758,0.147252,0.055814,0.012274,0.055087,0.009203,0.001175,0.001846,0.013908,0.0277,-0.003897,0.012589,-0.019623,-0.007707,0.005293,-0.008884,-0.017341,-0.003801,0.001006,-0.008504,-0.003494,0.004699,-0.002711,-0.006266,-0.00479
    Celtic:Constance_MX254_2,0.130897,0.136081,0.055437,0.024871,0.041854,0.00251,0.0047,0.006231,0.017794,0.024784,-0.004384,0.007493,-0.016501,-0.014313,0.003122,0.018165,0.014473,0.003547,-0.002388,5e-04,-0.004243,0.011129,0.001479,-0.010483,0.001317
    Celtic:Constance_MX283,0.126344,0.137096,0.057322,0.023579,0.050779,-0.003068,0.001175,0.003,0.020043,0.035172,-0.005521,0.009591,-0.014866,-0.009083,-0.000814,0.022408,0.016689,0.000127,0.004022,-0.002376,-0.001497,0.00643,-0.00456,-0.010242,0.001437
    Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.0630732,0.0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.0030575,0.001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462,0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
    Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:England_MBA,0.1270132,0.1290916,0.0630678,0.059755,0.0341783,0.019916,0.0014929,0.0049274,0.0045958,-0.0013935,-0.0047379,0.0039671,-0.0111495,-0.0156566,0.0246771,0.0091564,-0.0059516,0.0030703,0.0009834,0.0039871,0.0046975,0.0047133,-0.0006381,0.0058335,-0.0012045
    Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
    Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
    Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773,0.141141,0.126941,0.063356,0.071383,0.044008,0.024263,0.00799,0.011307,0.00409,-0.00656,-0.005359,0.005395,-0.01219,-0.013074,0.021172,0.011668,-0.001434,0.000887,0.008673,0.008629,0.010981,0.003957,-0.003081,0.015544,-0.007424
    Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5,0.126344,0.123895,0.076555,0.062016,0.03139,0.018128,0.007755,0.007615,0.009204,-0.007472,0.001624,0.007493,-0.009514,-0.018992,0.025651,0.02254,0.01356,0.004814,0.000377,0.002876,0.004742,0.005935,0.002095,0.012652,-0.00467
    Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.002863,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
    Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653,0.04845,0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
    Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
    Iberia_Central_BA,0.1239044,0.1505886,0.059639,0.0003691,0.0686281,-0.0074901,-0.0052371,-0.0001319,0.0395609,0.0550354,-0.0029926,0.01291,-0.0243167,-0.019621,0.0066116,0.0103233,0.0156089,-0.0004163,-0.0021549,0.0007146,0.0115154,-0.0001766,-0.0088561,-0.020261,0.0028397
    YDNA: R1b-L21 > DF13 > S1051 > FGC17906 > FGC17907 > FGC17866


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    portuguese invasion hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raizen View Post
    portuguese invasion hehe
    Looks that way, but we just like G25.

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    Distance: 2.5622% / 0.02562178
    63.4 Celtic
    18.4 Italic
    15.6 Mozabite
    2.6 ImperialRoman
    Code:
    Distance to:	Juan_scaled
    0.05301490	Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20
    0.05445253	Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
    0.05465897	Celtic:SX18_scaled
    0.05560377	Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_44
    0.05824014	Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_50
    0.05880485	Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA_OTTM_151ind2_d
    0.06359312	Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
    0.06428887	Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016
    0.06806583	Celtic:DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3_WEZ57
    0.07043060	Celtic:Constance_MX283
    0.07166493	Iberia_Central_BA
    0.07204948	Celtic:Constance_MX254_2
    0.07635240	Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_AITI_119
    0.09601267	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:Scotland_LBA
    0.09941724	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:England_MBA
    0.10566573	ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
    0.10592341	Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
    0.11418076	Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
    0.11587385	Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
    0.11683241	Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
    0.20764523	Mozabite
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    Quote Originally Posted by PT Tagus View Post
    Target: PT_Tagus_scaled
    Distance: 1.5948% / 0.01594825

    68.2 Celtic
    17.4 Mozabite
    14.4 ImperialRoman


    Code:
    Distance to:	PT_Tagus_scaled
    0.05577007	Celtic:SX18_scaled
    0.05921142	Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_44
    0.06032000	Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_50
    0.06051921	Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA_OTTM_151ind2_d
    0.06224875	Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20
    0.06415807	Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
    0.06508631	Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
    0.07199948	Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016
    0.07371635	Celtic:DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3_WEZ57
    0.07375606	Iberia_Southwest_BA
    0.07478856	Celtic:Constance_MX283
    0.07540233	Celtic:Constance_MX254_2
    0.07564761	Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_AITI_119
    0.07882293	Iberia_Central_BA
    0.09077524	Germanic:DEU_MA
    0.09507416	ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
    0.09739254	Pre-Celtic-Briton/Beaker:Scotland_LBA
    0.19589071	Mozabite
    I've also tried run samples on R. Here are the results (with penalty):

    [1] "distance%=3.209"

    PT_Tagus_scaled

    Celtic,69.6
    ImperialRoman,16
    Iberia_Southwest_BA,7
    Mozabite,5.2
    Germanic,2.2


    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
                    Celtic:SX18_scaled        Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_44 
                              5.577007                           5.921142 
           Celtic:DEU_Lech_EBA_POST_50 Celtic:DEU_Lech_MBA_OTTM_151ind2_d 
                              6.032000                           6.051921 
                 Celtic:St_Gallen_SX20 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851 
                              6.224875                           6.415807 
     Celtic:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111 Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016 
                              6.508631                           7.199948

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    Which are Xenophobic Russian sources?


    "Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas"

    "Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet: sapere aude, incipe."

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    Not necessarily, their high steppe brings them closer to northern Euros who have the most of it. But it doesnt really imply common descent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Which are Xenophobic Russian sources?
    What do you mean? All his stuff should come from Davidsky's G25 stuff.

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