So Celts were North Europeans after all?

[Peterski]

OK, I sent all the Iron Age ones to Davidski for Global25:



Will check their Eurogenes K15 scores also in 10 minutes.

[Peterski]

OK Eurogenes K15 results of France Iron Age samples:

Attachment 97875

Check here: https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I'm going to eat some lunch now, and BA will be later.

[Lucas]

Good example I think

BFM265 Iron Age

SNPs used for the calculation: 32 382
SNPs in calculator: 165 688
Genotype ratio: 19,54%

Components %
Amerindian 0,00
Arabian 1,67
Armenian 0,00
Basque 3,33
Central_African 0,10
Central_Euro 12,05
East_African 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
East_Balkan 0,00
East_Central_Asian 0,00
East_Central_Euro 2,50
East_Med 3,55
Eastern_Euro 1,51
Fennoscandian 3,87
French 9,55
Iberian 26,99
Indo-Chinese 0,00
Italian 4,07
Malayan 0,00
Near_Eastern 0,00
North_African 0,00
North_Atlantic 6,87
North_Caucasian 0,00
North_Sea 23,93
Northeast_African 0,00
Oceanian 0,00
Omotic 0,00
Pygmy 0,00
Siberian 0,00
South_Asian 0,00
South_Central_Asian 0,00
South_Chinese 0,00
Volga-Ural 0,00
West_African 0,00
West_Caucasian 0,00
West_Med 0,00


Target: xxx
Distance: 15.7139% / 15.71387512 | ADC: 1x
57.6 FR_Finistere
33.0 Yorkshire&Humber
5.2 PT_Azores
4.2 ES_Navarra

Target: xxx
Distance: 13.7270% / 13.72698365 | ADC: 0.5x
71.2 Yorkshire&Humber
19.2 ES_Navarra
9.6 ES_La_Rioja

Target: xxx
Distance: 13.5555% / 13.55546789 | ADC: 0.25x
55.0 Yorkshire&Humber
19.2 ES_Navarra
14.4 ES_La_Rioja
11.4 NL_Drenthe

Target: xxx
Distance: 13.5063% / 13.50628819
37.6 Yorkshire&Humber
25.4 NL_Drenthe
21.4 ES_Navarra
15.6 ES_La_Rioja

[Lucas]

Att26 Iron Age

SNPs used for the calculation: 19908
SNPs in calculator: 165688
Genotype ratio: 12,02%

Amerindian 0,75
Arabian 0,00
Armenian 0,00
Basque 2,79
Central_African 0,44
Central_Euro 4,14
East_African 0,88
East_Asian 0,00
East_Balkan 0,00
East_Central_Asian 0,00
East_Central_Euro 14,64
East_Med 0,00
Eastern_Euro 0,00
Fennoscandian 6,82
French 8,51
Iberian 14,82
Indo-Chinese 0,00
Italian 13,13
Malayan 0,00
Near_Eastern 0,00
North_African 0,00
North_Atlantic 10,25
North_Caucasian 0,00
North_Sea 16,51
Northeast_African 0,00
Oceanian 0,00
Omotic 0,00
Pygmy 0,00
Siberian 0,00
South_Asian 0,76
South_Central_Asian 0,00



Target: xxx
Distance: 8.1847% / 8.18465743
29.2 NE_England
18.4 IT_Aosta
13.0 PL_north-eastern(Suwalki)
11.0 Swiss_Italian
7.8 NL_Friesland
6.6 West_Prussia
6.2 ES_La_Rioja
4.8 Portugal_Lisboa
2.8 IT_Sardinia
0.2 Mandingo

Target: xxx
Distance: 8.4360% / 8.43600687 | ADC: 0.25x
47.4 FR_Ile-de-France
17.8 NE_England
16.6 IT_Aosta
11.6 PL_north-eastern(Suwalki)
5.4 West_Prussia
0.8 IT_Sardinia
0.4 ES_La_Rioja

Target: xxx
Distance: 8.9782% / 8.97815518 | ADC: 0.5x
79.0 FR_Ile-de-France
10.6 Neumark(East_Brandenburg)
8.8 West_Prussia
1.6 PL_north-eastern(Suwalki)

Target: xxx
Distance: 10.1351% / 10.13513783 | ADC: 1x
70.6 FR_Ile-de-France
11.2 Lorraine-Champagne-Ardenne
9.4 northern_Ostpreussen
8.8 Flemish

[XenophobicPrussian]

^ Literally doesn't tell us anything about them unless you're already extremely familiar with how pops score on K36. Can you plot them on a PCA plot or post distances to moderns?

[Roy]

Maybe migrants ? But unlikely, at the end of the day Celts were thought to come from Scandinavia so if some Celtic samples are Scandinavian like, it's not surprising.

The difference, distance is still quite big though. Maybe they were similar for other reasons than that.

[Lucas]

COL11 Iron Age

Components %
Amerindian 0,00
Arabian 0,00
Armenian 0,00
Basque 4,75
Central_African 0,00
Central_Euro 5,29
East_African 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
East_Balkan 5,95
East_Central_Asian 0,00
East_Central_Euro 11,13
East_Med 0,00
Eastern_Euro 4,90
Fennoscandian 6,24
French 12,44
Iberian 6,58
Indo-Chinese 0,00
Italian 5,18
Malayan 0,00
Near_Eastern 0,00
North_African 0,00
North_Atlantic 19,43
North_Caucasian 0,00
North_Sea 13,85
Northeast_African 0,00
Oceanian 0,00
Omotic 0,00
Pygmy 0,00
Siberian 0,00
South_Asian 2,48
South_Central_Asian 1,77
South_Chinese 0,00
Volga-Ural 0,00
West_African 0,00
West_Caucasian 0,00
West_Med 0,00



Target: xxx
Distance: 9.8383% / 9.83827158 | ADC: 1x
36.4 NL_Overijssel
32.0 Sachsen
25.4 Ireland
6.2 West-Midlands

Target: xxx
Distance: 9.4064% / 9.40640437 | ADC: 0.5x
34.2 Ireland
27.8 NL_Overijssel
24.2 Sachsen
10.0 Neumark(East_Brandenburg)
2.8 IT_Bolzano
0.6 Grenzmark
0.4 Punjabi_1000genomes

Target: xxx
Distance: 8.7791% / 8.77911076 | ADC: 0.25x
33.2 Ireland
32.4 NL_Overijssel
17.0 Neumark(East_Brandenburg)
8.2 IT_Bolzano
6.0 Ukraine_Western
2.8 Punjabi_1000genomes
0.4 Grenzmark

Target: xxx
Distance: 8.7298% / 8.72975271
35.8 Ireland
30.4 NL_Overijssel
12.0 Neumark(East_Brandenburg)
7.6 IT_Bolzano
5.4 Ukraine_Western
5.0 PL_Lublin
3.8 Punjabi_1000genomes

[Lucas]

The difference . distanse is still quite big though.

Distances in K36 are bigger. In G25 will be lower for sure.

[SharpFork]

^ Literally doesn't tell us anything about them unless you're already extremely familiar with how pops score on K36. Can you plot them on a PCA plot or post distances to moderns?

ATT26,37.37,21.78,13.11,1.13,17.75,0,2.94,0,4.09,0,0,0,0,0,1.82
BES1248,33.57,32.36,8.76,10.37,9.79,1.45,0.31,0,0.2,0.9,0,1.93,0,0,0.35
BFM265,28.12,34.55,11.89,3.86,11.42,3.64,4.73,0.93,0.01,0,0,0,0.4,0.44,0
COL11,33.38,25.25,15.49,6.28,10.75,2.53,0,0,5.23,0,0,0,0,0,1.09
COL153A,29.63,22.17,8.74,6.95,15.4,0,13.47,3.63,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
COL153i,21.54,30.34,8.12,7.3,17.4,8.39,0,0.3,0,0,1.34,0,3.32,1.94,0
ERS1164,21.87,34.86,9.97,8.73,12.71,4.57,1.48,0.3,1.19,0.29,2.53,0,0,0,1.5
ERS86,24.03,24.52,13.52,7.2,21.49,0,6.5,0.93,0,0,0,0,0.4,0.78,0.62
ERS88,29.83,18.14,1.07,7.03,18.8,4,17.58,2.25,0,0,0,1.01,0,0.29,0
Jeb8,26.5,30.24,7.46,3.21,20.32,2.45,4.19,0.59,0,0,0,2.54,2.5,0,0
NOR2B6,20.06,23.31,14.3,5.08,18.27,3.13,11.32,4.53,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
NOR3-15,23.05,33.21,17.52,0.07,14.08,5.44,0,2.89,0,0,0.65,0,0.51,2.59,0
NOR3-6,24.41,33.02,12.81,6.55,12.21,6.68,0,1.82,1.91,0,0,0.38,0.2,0,0
NOR4,29.01,19.86,6.35,2.84,26.46,0,13.8,0.37,0,0,0.97,0,0.34,0,0
PECH5,29.46,24.4,9.14,0,31.91,0,0,0.41,0,1.63,0.72,2.34,0,0,0
PEY53,33.74,36.39,5.11,4.4,8.63,4.19,2.8,3.18,0,0,0,0.29,1.27,0,0

Use this:

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo.htm

It should be correct?

[Lucas]

^ Literally doesn't tell us anything about them unless you're already extremely familiar with how pops score on K36. Can you plot them on a PCA plot or post distances to moderns?

Two first are French like mostly, third is very Irish.