Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

**catgeorge** · 05-07-2020, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian

Thanks Konstantine. I was always wondering, are Pontians just hellenized or could we actually have some greek in our dna. If we trust the accuracy of these dna companies and programs we might have some. Who knows for sure? At least that is what we know from history.

Your closest matched population is Greek_Azov and are Greek people.

**Roman-Anatolian** · 05-07-2020, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by catgeorge

Your closest matched population is Greek_Azov and are Greek people.

Yes but not in all calculations though.

**AncientGreek** · 05-07-2020, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Markos

Ancient Greeks had steppe input anyway, you can find high Baltic/North european in Punjabis even. But trolls will always relate it to slavs

Mycenaean I9010

Code:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit Z290210

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1 	East_Med 	36.83
2 	West_Med 	31.92
3 	North_Atlantic 	10.52
4 	West_Asian 	8.82
5 	Red_Sea 	8.03
6 	Baltic 	2.73
7 	Oceanian 	0.86
8 	Sub-Saharan 	0.3

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1 	Algerian_Jewish 	9.09
2 	Italian_Jewish 	11.1
3 	Sephardic_Jewish 	12.52
4 	South_Italian 	12.69
5 	Tunisian_Jewish 	13.58
6 	Libyan_Jewish 	13.84
7 	East_Sicilian 	14.48
8 	Ashkenazi 	14.92
9 	West_Sicilian 	15.32
10 	Central_Greek 	15.74
11 	Cyprian 	15.77
12 	Italian_Abruzzo 	18.49
13 	Samaritan 	20.47
14 	Greek_Thessaly 	20.62
15 	Tuscan 	20.64
16 	Tunisian 	21.09
17 	Lebanese_Muslim 	21.61
18 	Lebanese_Christian 	22.25
19 	Syrian 	22.3
20 	Algerian 	22.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source) 	Secondary Population (source) 	Distance
1	  	56.4%	Samaritan 	+ 	43.6%	Sardinian 	@ 	3.2
2	  	54.3%	Lebanese_Christian 	+ 	45.7%	Sardinian 	@ 	3.21
3	  	51.5%	Lebanese_Druze 	+ 	48.5%	Sardinian 	@ 	4.42
4	  	63.3%	Cyprian 	+ 	36.7%	Sardinian 	@ 	4.96
5	  	52.5%	Palestinian 	+ 	47.5%	Sardinian 	@ 	5.47
6	  	78.9%	Algerian_Jewish 	+ 	21.1%	Sardinian 	@ 	5.98
7	  	68%	Tunisian_Jewish 	+ 	32%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.36
8	  	55.3%	Lebanese_Muslim 	+ 	44.7%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.49
9	  	52.1%	Jordanian 	+ 	47.9%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.63
10	  	67.9%	Libyan_Jewish 	+ 	32.1%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.87
11	  	54.5%	Syrian 	+ 	45.5%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.95
12	  	75.2%	Italian_Jewish 	+ 	24.8%	Sardinian 	@ 	7.36
13	  	52.6%	Sardinian 	+ 	47.4%	Kurdish_Jewish 	@ 	7.65
14	  	53.2%	Sardinian 	+ 	46.8%	Iranian_Jewish 	@ 	7.76
15	  	72.1%	Sephardic_Jewish 	+ 	27.9%	Sardinian 	@ 	7.85
16	  	50.6%	Bedouin 	+ 	49.4%	Sardinian 	@ 	8.21
17	  	57.9%	Sardinian 	+ 	42.1%	Yemenite_Jewish 	@ 	8.38
18	  	97.6%	Algerian_Jewish 	+ 	2.4%	French_Basque 	@ 	9.02
19	  	98.2%	Algerian_Jewish 	+ 	1.8%	Southwest_French 	@ 	9.07
20	  	98.4%	Algerian_Jewish 	+ 	1.6%	Spanish_Aragon 	@ 	9.08

Greek from Kos

Code:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit *redacted*

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1 	East_Med 	35.8
2 	West_Med 	23.88
3 	West_Asian 	16.11
4 	North_Atlantic 	9.48
5 	Baltic 	6.09
6 	Red_Sea 	5.67
7 	East_Asian 	0.99
8 	Sub-Saharan 	0.94
9 	Oceanian 	0.86
10 	South_Asian 	0.18

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1 	Algerian_Jewish 	7.09
2 	South_Italian 	7.45
3 	Cyprian 	8.55
4 	Italian_Jewish 	8.59
5 	Sephardic_Jewish 	8.74
6 	East_Sicilian 	9.06
7 	Ashkenazi 	9.65
8 	Central_Greek 	9.69
9 	Tunisian_Jewish 	10.44
10 	Libyan_Jewish 	11.3
11 	West_Sicilian 	12.83
12 	Italian_Abruzzo 	13.83
13 	Lebanese_Muslim 	14.05
14 	Syrian 	15.62
15 	Samaritan 	16.04
16 	Greek_Thessaly 	16.12
17 	Lebanese_Christian 	17.02
18 	Lebanese_Druze 	18.24
19 	Turkish 	18.59
20 	Jordanian 	18.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source) 	Secondary Population (source) 	Distance
1	  	83.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	16.2%	Southwest_French 	@ 	3.75
2	  	54.4%	South_Italian 	+ 	45.6%	Cyprian 	@ 	3.8
3	  	76.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	23.1%	North_Italian 	@ 	3.8
4	  	61.7%	Cyprian 	+ 	38.3%	West_Sicilian 	@ 	3.91
5	  	53.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	46.1%	Central_Greek 	@ 	3.95
6	  	83.5%	Cyprian 	+ 	16.5%	Spanish_Cantabria 	@ 	3.97
7	  	51.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	48.2%	East_Sicilian 	@ 	3.99
8	  	71.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	28.2%	Tuscan 	@ 	4.05
9	  	82.3%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.7%	Spanish_Valencia 	@ 	4.07
10	  	81.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	18.2%	Spanish_Andalucia 	@ 	4.12
11	  	82.4%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.6%	Spanish_Galicia 	@ 	4.16
12	  	67.6%	Cyprian 	+ 	32.4%	Greek_Thessaly 	@ 	4.19
13	  	82.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.1%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 	@ 	4.23
14	  	82.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.1%	Spanish_Cataluna 	@ 	4.23
15	  	82%	Cyprian 	+ 	18%	Portuguese 	@ 	4.26
16	  	81.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	18.2%	Spanish_Extremadura 	@ 	4.27
17	  	81.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	18.1%	Sardinian 	@ 	4.28
18	  	83.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	16.1%	Spanish_Aragon 	@ 	4.29
19	  	82.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.1%	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 	@ 	4.31
20	  	87.1%	Cyprian 	+ 	12.9%	French_Basque 	@ 	4.34

Spoiler!

Mycenaean steppe admixture had insignificant amount of 'Baltic'. Most modern Dodecanese islanders score more Baltic than ancient Greeks. Baltic didn't come out of nowhere, and it didn't come from adjacent populations (Italy, West Asia) as they too had no Baltic. So where do you propose it came from? Do you think it appeared out of thin air?

**Mingle** · 05-07-2020, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Markos

Ancient Greeks had steppe input anyway, you can find high Baltic/North european in Punjabis even. But trolls will always relate it to slavs

Except that Y-DNA has also proven there was Slavic input.

**Tauromachos** · 05-07-2020, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Markos

Ancient Greeks had steppe input anyway, you can find high Baltic/North european in Punjabis even. But trolls will always relate it to slavs

This^

**Tauromachos** · 05-07-2020, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by AncientGreek

Mycenaean I9010

Code:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit Z290210

Admix Results (sorted):

#    Population    Percent
1     East_Med     36.83
2     West_Med     31.92
3     North_Atlantic     10.52
4     West_Asian     8.82
5     Red_Sea     8.03
6     Baltic     2.73
7     Oceanian     0.86
8     Sub-Saharan     0.3

Single Population Sharing:

#    Population (source)    Distance
1     Algerian_Jewish     9.09
2     Italian_Jewish     11.1
3     Sephardic_Jewish     12.52
4     South_Italian     12.69
5     Tunisian_Jewish     13.58
6     Libyan_Jewish     13.84
7     East_Sicilian     14.48
8     Ashkenazi     14.92
9     West_Sicilian     15.32
10     Central_Greek     15.74
11     Cyprian     15.77
12     Italian_Abruzzo     18.49
13     Samaritan     20.47
14     Greek_Thessaly     20.62
15     Tuscan     20.64
16     Tunisian     21.09
17     Lebanese_Muslim     21.61
18     Lebanese_Christian     22.25
19     Syrian     22.3
20     Algerian     22.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#         Primary Population (source)     Secondary Population (source)     Distance
1          56.4%    Samaritan     +     43.6%    Sardinian     @     3.2
2          54.3%    Lebanese_Christian     +     45.7%    Sardinian     @     3.21
3          51.5%    Lebanese_Druze     +     48.5%    Sardinian     @     4.42
4          63.3%    Cyprian     +     36.7%    Sardinian     @     4.96
5          52.5%    Palestinian     +     47.5%    Sardinian     @     5.47
6          78.9%    Algerian_Jewish     +     21.1%    Sardinian     @     5.98
7          68%    Tunisian_Jewish     +     32%    Sardinian     @     6.36
8          55.3%    Lebanese_Muslim     +     44.7%    Sardinian     @     6.49
9          52.1%    Jordanian     +     47.9%    Sardinian     @     6.63
10          67.9%    Libyan_Jewish     +     32.1%    Sardinian     @     6.87
11          54.5%    Syrian     +     45.5%    Sardinian     @     6.95
12          75.2%    Italian_Jewish     +     24.8%    Sardinian     @     7.36
13          52.6%    Sardinian     +     47.4%    Kurdish_Jewish     @     7.65
14          53.2%    Sardinian     +     46.8%    Iranian_Jewish     @     7.76
15          72.1%    Sephardic_Jewish     +     27.9%    Sardinian     @     7.85
16          50.6%    Bedouin     +     49.4%    Sardinian     @     8.21
17          57.9%    Sardinian     +     42.1%    Yemenite_Jewish     @     8.38
18          97.6%    Algerian_Jewish     +     2.4%    French_Basque     @     9.02
19          98.2%    Algerian_Jewish     +     1.8%    Southwest_French     @     9.07
20          98.4%    Algerian_Jewish     +     1.6%    Spanish_Aragon     @     9.08

Greek from Kos

Code:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit *redacted*

Admix Results (sorted):

#    Population    Percent
1     East_Med     35.8
2     West_Med     23.88
3     West_Asian     16.11
4     North_Atlantic     9.48
5     Baltic     6.09
6     Red_Sea     5.67
7     East_Asian     0.99
8     Sub-Saharan     0.94
9     Oceanian     0.86
10     South_Asian     0.18

Single Population Sharing:

#    Population (source)    Distance
1     Algerian_Jewish     7.09
2     South_Italian     7.45
3     Cyprian     8.55
4     Italian_Jewish     8.59
5     Sephardic_Jewish     8.74
6     East_Sicilian     9.06
7     Ashkenazi     9.65
8     Central_Greek     9.69
9     Tunisian_Jewish     10.44
10     Libyan_Jewish     11.3
11     West_Sicilian     12.83
12     Italian_Abruzzo     13.83
13     Lebanese_Muslim     14.05
14     Syrian     15.62
15     Samaritan     16.04
16     Greek_Thessaly     16.12
17     Lebanese_Christian     17.02
18     Lebanese_Druze     18.24
19     Turkish     18.59
20     Jordanian     18.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#         Primary Population (source)     Secondary Population (source)     Distance
1          83.8%    Cyprian     +     16.2%    Southwest_French     @     3.75
2          54.4%    South_Italian     +     45.6%    Cyprian     @     3.8
3          76.9%    Cyprian     +     23.1%    North_Italian     @     3.8
4          61.7%    Cyprian     +     38.3%    West_Sicilian     @     3.91
5          53.9%    Cyprian     +     46.1%    Central_Greek     @     3.95
6          83.5%    Cyprian     +     16.5%    Spanish_Cantabria     @     3.97
7          51.8%    Cyprian     +     48.2%    East_Sicilian     @     3.99
8          71.8%    Cyprian     +     28.2%    Tuscan     @     4.05
9          82.3%    Cyprian     +     17.7%    Spanish_Valencia     @     4.07
10          81.8%    Cyprian     +     18.2%    Spanish_Andalucia     @     4.12
11          82.4%    Cyprian     +     17.6%    Spanish_Galicia     @     4.16
12          67.6%    Cyprian     +     32.4%    Greek_Thessaly     @     4.19
13          82.9%    Cyprian     +     17.1%    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha     @     4.23
14          82.9%    Cyprian     +     17.1%    Spanish_Cataluna     @     4.23
15          82%    Cyprian     +     18%    Portuguese     @     4.26
16          81.8%    Cyprian     +     18.2%    Spanish_Extremadura     @     4.27
17          81.9%    Cyprian     +     18.1%    Sardinian     @     4.28
18          83.9%    Cyprian     +     16.1%    Spanish_Aragon     @     4.29
19          82.9%    Cyprian     +     17.1%    Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon     @     4.31
20          87.1%    Cyprian     +     12.9%    French_Basque     @     4.34

Spoiler!

Mycenaean steppe admixture had insignificant amount of 'Baltic'. Most modern Dodecanese islanders score more Baltic than ancient Greeks. Baltic didn't come out of nowhere, and it didn't come from adjacent populations (Italy, West Asia) as they too had no Baltic. So where do you propose it came from? Do you think it appeared out of thin air?

Scythians in Classical and Roman times also Byzantine Varangians maybe

Some came later from Slavs but more in Mainland Areas i doubt that any Slavs as a group large enough to be noticed made it to Dodecanese

**catgeorge** · 05-07-2020, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mingle

Except that Y-DNA has also proven there was Slavic input.

There is no Polish nor Ukranian input in Greece other than recent migrants.

**Tauromachos** · 05-07-2020, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by catgeorge

There is no Polish nor Ukranian input in Greece other than recent migrants.

True

**catgeorge** · 05-07-2020, 07:46 AM

Myceneans

2 West_Med 31.92
3 North_Atlantic 10.52
4 West_Asian 8.82

West Asian input in Greece on Gedmatch is 15-20% - so it has doubled likely from Anatolia

**AncientGreek** · 05-07-2020, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by SuperDorian

Scythians in Classical and Roman times also Byzantine Varangians maybe

Some came later from Slavs but more in Mainland Areas i doubt that any Slavs as a group large enough to be noticed made it to Dodecanese

Slavs never made it to Dodecanese obviously, but overtime mainland Greeks brought Steppe admixture over here. I mean, I don't see why they wanted to come here, but a few did obviously

.

Anyways, somebody more knowledgeable than me needs to explain how the Kura-Araxes admixture of ancient Greeks disappeared and how the steppe (Yamnaya) magically increased: