Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

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Mycenaean I9010

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit Z290210

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1 	East_Med 	36.83
2 	West_Med 	31.92
3 	North_Atlantic 	10.52
4 	West_Asian 	8.82
5 	Red_Sea 	8.03
6 	Baltic 	2.73
7 	Oceanian 	0.86
8 	Sub-Saharan 	0.3

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1 	Algerian_Jewish 	9.09
2 	Italian_Jewish 	11.1
3 	Sephardic_Jewish 	12.52
4 	South_Italian 	12.69
5 	Tunisian_Jewish 	13.58
6 	Libyan_Jewish 	13.84
7 	East_Sicilian 	14.48
8 	Ashkenazi 	14.92
9 	West_Sicilian 	15.32
10 	Central_Greek 	15.74
11 	Cyprian 	15.77
12 	Italian_Abruzzo 	18.49
13 	Samaritan 	20.47
14 	Greek_Thessaly 	20.62
15 	Tuscan 	20.64
16 	Tunisian 	21.09
17 	Lebanese_Muslim 	21.61
18 	Lebanese_Christian 	22.25
19 	Syrian 	22.3
20 	Algerian 	22.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source) 	Secondary Population (source) 	Distance
1	  	56.4%	Samaritan 	+ 	43.6%	Sardinian 	@ 	3.2
2	  	54.3%	Lebanese_Christian 	+ 	45.7%	Sardinian 	@ 	3.21
3	  	51.5%	Lebanese_Druze 	+ 	48.5%	Sardinian 	@ 	4.42
4	  	63.3%	Cyprian 	+ 	36.7%	Sardinian 	@ 	4.96
5	  	52.5%	Palestinian 	+ 	47.5%	Sardinian 	@ 	5.47
6	  	78.9%	Algerian_Jewish 	+ 	21.1%	Sardinian 	@ 	5.98
7	  	68%	Tunisian_Jewish 	+ 	32%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.36
8	  	55.3%	Lebanese_Muslim 	+ 	44.7%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.49
9	  	52.1%	Jordanian 	+ 	47.9%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.63
10	  	67.9%	Libyan_Jewish 	+ 	32.1%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.87
11	  	54.5%	Syrian 	+ 	45.5%	Sardinian 	@ 	6.95
12	  	75.2%	Italian_Jewish 	+ 	24.8%	Sardinian 	@ 	7.36
13	  	52.6%	Sardinian 	+ 	47.4%	Kurdish_Jewish 	@ 	7.65
14	  	53.2%	Sardinian 	+ 	46.8%	Iranian_Jewish 	@ 	7.76
15	  	72.1%	Sephardic_Jewish 	+ 	27.9%	Sardinian 	@ 	7.85
16	  	50.6%	Bedouin 	+ 	49.4%	Sardinian 	@ 	8.21
17	  	57.9%	Sardinian 	+ 	42.1%	Yemenite_Jewish 	@ 	8.38
18	  	97.6%	Algerian_Jewish 	+ 	2.4%	French_Basque 	@ 	9.02
19	  	98.2%	Algerian_Jewish 	+ 	1.8%	Southwest_French 	@ 	9.07
20	  	98.4%	Algerian_Jewish 	+ 	1.6%	Spanish_Aragon 	@ 	9.08

Greek from Kos

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit *redacted*

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1 	East_Med 	35.8
2 	West_Med 	23.88
3 	West_Asian 	16.11
4 	North_Atlantic 	9.48
5 	Baltic 	6.09
6 	Red_Sea 	5.67
7 	East_Asian 	0.99
8 	Sub-Saharan 	0.94
9 	Oceanian 	0.86
10 	South_Asian 	0.18

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1 	Algerian_Jewish 	7.09
2 	South_Italian 	7.45
3 	Cyprian 	8.55
4 	Italian_Jewish 	8.59
5 	Sephardic_Jewish 	8.74
6 	East_Sicilian 	9.06
7 	Ashkenazi 	9.65
8 	Central_Greek 	9.69
9 	Tunisian_Jewish 	10.44
10 	Libyan_Jewish 	11.3
11 	West_Sicilian 	12.83
12 	Italian_Abruzzo 	13.83
13 	Lebanese_Muslim 	14.05
14 	Syrian 	15.62
15 	Samaritan 	16.04
16 	Greek_Thessaly 	16.12
17 	Lebanese_Christian 	17.02
18 	Lebanese_Druze 	18.24
19 	Turkish 	18.59
20 	Jordanian 	18.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source) 	Secondary Population (source) 	Distance
1	  	83.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	16.2%	Southwest_French 	@ 	3.75
2	  	54.4%	South_Italian 	+ 	45.6%	Cyprian 	@ 	3.8
3	  	76.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	23.1%	North_Italian 	@ 	3.8
4	  	61.7%	Cyprian 	+ 	38.3%	West_Sicilian 	@ 	3.91
5	  	53.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	46.1%	Central_Greek 	@ 	3.95
6	  	83.5%	Cyprian 	+ 	16.5%	Spanish_Cantabria 	@ 	3.97
7	  	51.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	48.2%	East_Sicilian 	@ 	3.99
8	  	71.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	28.2%	Tuscan 	@ 	4.05
9	  	82.3%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.7%	Spanish_Valencia 	@ 	4.07
10	  	81.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	18.2%	Spanish_Andalucia 	@ 	4.12
11	  	82.4%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.6%	Spanish_Galicia 	@ 	4.16
12	  	67.6%	Cyprian 	+ 	32.4%	Greek_Thessaly 	@ 	4.19
13	  	82.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.1%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 	@ 	4.23
14	  	82.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.1%	Spanish_Cataluna 	@ 	4.23
15	  	82%	Cyprian 	+ 	18%	Portuguese 	@ 	4.26
16	  	81.8%	Cyprian 	+ 	18.2%	Spanish_Extremadura 	@ 	4.27
17	  	81.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	18.1%	Sardinian 	@ 	4.28
18	  	83.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	16.1%	Spanish_Aragon 	@ 	4.29
19	  	82.9%	Cyprian 	+ 	17.1%	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 	@ 	4.31
20	  	87.1%	Cyprian 	+ 	12.9%	French_Basque 	@ 	4.34

Spoiler!

Mycenaean steppe admixture had insignificant amount of 'Baltic'. Most modern Dodecanese islanders score more Baltic than ancient Greeks. Baltic didn't come out of nowhere, and it didn't come from adjacent populations (Italy, West Asia) as they too had no Baltic. So where do you propose it came from? Do you think it appeared out of thin air?

I'm proposing that it 100% appeared out of thin air, yes.

[Konstantinos]

Thanks Konstantine. I was always wondering, are Pontians just hellenized or could we actually have some greek in our dna. If we trust the accuracy of these dna companies and programs we might have some. Who knows for sure? At least that is what we know from history.

Pontic Greeks have been Greek for 3000 years("θάλαττα θάλαττα"). They are as Greek as other Greeks. The question is do you have mainland ancestry? Yes you do but no harm if you didn`t.

[Konstantinos]

I see the Slavic agenda is well underway. Excellent. Of course noone cares to explain the complete lack of linguistic and cultural traces of Slavs in Greeks. Neither the simple fact that Greeks look clearly distinguishable from Bulgarians let alone Poles or Ukrainians. People know everything with almost no samples. Genetics means shit if they don`t allign with facts. Don`t forget Icelanders: they are much different than their ancestors because genetic drift.

Rant over.

[Pine]

You guys need to pick one: either he is what he says he is - Pontic mixed with Russian or he's what his genetic results show - Pontic mixed with mainlander/west Anatolian Greek. Currently, you're picking and choosing details from each narrative without a proper justification.

[AncientGreek]

I see the Slavic agenda is well underway. Excellent. Of course noone cares to explain the complete lack of linguistic and cultural traces of Slavs in Greeks. Neither the simple fact that Greeks look clearly distinguishable from Bulgarians let alone Poles or Ukrainians. People know everything with almost no samples. Genetics means shit if they don`t allign with facts. Don`t forget Icelanders: they are much different than their ancestors because genetic drift.

Rant over.

The problem is that you keep insinuating that ancient Greeks were more 'northern' shifted than they actually were. You do realize they came from Anatolia, right? And, their admixture was mostly Early Farmer mixed with some Kura-Araxes. Their steppe admixture was extremely minminal, so if we actually got Indo-European language from Yamnaya they didn't effect the admixture much of Greek or Anatolian cultures that picked up IE languages much at all.

Now, modern mainlanders except for Cretans and Greek islanders have completely lost the Kura-Araxes admixture and gained more Yamnaya admixture. When do you think this event occured? I know there is a big lack of ancient Greek samples, and if we have some from even the early AD period we'd be able to confirm or deny certain theories. But I don't know why you would be ashamed to have some slight South Slavic admixture anyways. Many Greeks have Albanian and Bulgarian ancestry, why do you not like the idea of that?

About language and culture - the people who moved into Greece were not 100% Slavs. They were our northern neighbours who already had some Slavic admixture, AKA south Slavs. You seem to think they are the same as a Ukrainian or something, but they're not. The admixture is similar to ours but lacking the Kura-Araxes as I showed before, now you need to stop coming up with conspiracy theories - mainland Greece was never isolated like Iceland so I'm not sure why you're making a comparison.

Honest question here, do you think Greek admixture remained the same during these events?





I doubt it, but I'm open to hear why you don't believe admixture did not change when there is so much evidence it did.

[catgeorge]

The problem is that you keep insinuating that ancient Greeks were more 'northern' shifted than they actually were. You do realize they came from Anatolia, right? And, their admixture was mostly Early Farmer mixed with some Kura-Araxes. Their steppe admixture was extremely minminal, so if we actually got Indo-European language from Yamnaya they didn't effect the admixture much of Greek or Anatolian cultures that picked up IE languages much at all.

Now, modern mainlanders except for Cretans and Greek islanders have completely lost the Kura-Araxes admixture and gained more Yamnaya admixture. When do you think this event occured? I know there is a big lack of ancient Greek samples, and if we have some from even the early AD period we'd be able to confirm or deny certain theories. But I don't know why you would be ashamed to have some slight South Slavic admixture anyways. Many Greeks have Albanian and Bulgarian ancestry, why do you not like the idea of that?

About language and culture - the people who moved into Greece were not 100% Slavs. They were our northern neighbours who already had some Slavic admixture, AKA south Slavs. You seem to think they are the same as a Ukrainian or something, but they're not. The admixture is similar to ours but lacking the Kura-Araxes as I showed before, now you need to stop coming up with conspiracy theories - mainland Greece was never isolated like Iceland so I'm not sure why you're making a comparison.

Honest question here, do you think Greek admixture remained the same during these events?





I doubt it, but I'm open to hear why you don't believe admixture did not change when there is so much evidence it did.

Thats not evidence.

It's like saying this is evidence of Yamnaya input



Thats just para politicking. Greek and Celtic expansion actually met.

[catgeorge]

You guys need to pick one: either he is what he says he is - Pontic mixed with Russian or he's what his genetic results show - Pontic mixed with mainlander/west Anatolian Greek. Currently, you're picking and choosing details from each narrative without a proper justification.

Its not that easy - he gets different results from different calculators but he is closer to Greek_Azov.

[Jana]

I see the Slavic agenda is well underway. Excellent. Of course noone cares to explain the complete lack of linguistic and cultural traces of Slavs in Greeks. Neither the simple fact that Greeks look clearly distinguishable from Bulgarians let alone Poles or Ukrainians. People know everything with almost no samples. Genetics means shit if they don`t allign with facts. Don`t forget Icelanders: they are much different than their ancestors because genetic drift.

Rant over.

https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

[catgeorge]

https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

Its not that we deny it - South Slavs are not actually Slavs themselves.

[Tauromachos]

https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

Yeah and only in Northern Greece realy ,there were no slavophone regions in the rest of Greece

Slavs left some admixture in Mainland Greece but they didn't have a massive impact everywhere neither did they invade or dominate whole of Greece for a long time if they would there would be no Greece today but it would be just another Balkan Slavic country like Croatia,Serbia or Bulgaria but its not