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    Ironically the brand new average is only slightly different from the original one

    32.55 North_Atlantic
    31.85 Baltic
    12.85 West_Med
    7.55 West_Asian
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    1.21 Red_Sea
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    great work!

    mother:
    Distance to:
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    4.74987925 Hungarian_Szekely
    4.95731085 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    4.97578798 Hungarian
    5.00510260 Hungarian_Transylvania
    5.35850217 Hungarian_Budapest
    5.59773967 Hungarian_Alfold
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    6.47461196 Croat_Zagreb
    7.14045517 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
    7.24923444 Serb_B&H
    7.28124303 Croat_Split

    mine:
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    3.92297756 Hungarian_Szekely
    4.67346559 Hungarian_Transylvania
    5.89152622 Hungarian_Csango
    6.53528882 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
    6.54003058 Serb_B&H
    6.54166457 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    6.92426891 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
    6.95439714 Hungarian
    6.99546282 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
    7.02192993 Serb_B&H_Krajina
    7.02469216 Croat_Split
    7.10990155 Serb_Croatia
    7.15427802 Hungarian_Budapest

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    Good to see all Hungarian groups, even Csángós among my closest matches, and obviously my minor German part already drifts me towards the most German-like Hungarian groups, rather my native Alföld, and also that Central Asian 3% remains persistent:

    Distance to: Dunai
    3.89708265 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    4.47335091 Hungarian_Budapest
    4.48241007 Austrian
    5.30540518 Hungarian
    5.73868452 East_German
    6.72266924 Hungarian_Alfold
    6.73411198 Hungarian_Northern
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    7.71154330 Croat_Zagreb
    7.71947874 Hungarian_Transylvania
    7.75356352 Hungarian_Szekely
    7.93761929 Czech
    8.42805413 Slovak
    8.73914756 German_east
    9.82048019 Hungarian_Csango
    9.88888265 Croat_Bosnia
    9.90309043 Moldova_North

    Target: Dunai
    Distance: 0.9389% / 0.93889893 | ADC: 0.25x
    53.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    34.6 Austrian
    5.0 North-Swedish
    2.4 Kirgiz
    2.0 West_German
    1.8 North_German
    0.8 Altaian
    0.2 Oroqen

    Target: Dunai
    Distance: 1.8451% / 1.84511292 | ADC: 0.5x
    50.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    47.0 Austrian
    1.4 Altaian
    0.8 Kazakh
    0.6 North-Swedish

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    Let's see how do the Hungarian regions score:

    Hungarian
    Target: Hungarian
    Distance: 0.3638% / 0.36378644 | ADC: 0.5x
    44.0 Hungarian_Alfold
    42.2 Hungarian_Budapest
    13.8 Hungarian_Transdanubia

    Distance to: Hungarian
    1.19445296 Hungarian_Budapest
    1.55212047 Hungarian_Alfold
    1.91480367 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    2.14508635 Slovenian
    2.48030270 Croat_Zagreb
    3.91243703 Hungarian_Northern
    4.80736374 Hungarian_Transylvania
    5.15812013 Croat_Bosnia
    5.19682881 Moldova_North
    5.25003019 Bosniak_Tuzla
    5.60064831 Hungarian_Szekely
    5.60436174 Croat_Herzegovina
    5.66365601 Slovak
    6.19325752 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
    6.19467951 Croat_Split
    6.51288066 Hungarian_Csango
    6.77025631 Serb_B&H
    6.96264805 Bosniak

    Alföld
    Target: Hungarian_Alfold
    Distance: 0.5974% / 0.59742366 | ADC: 0.5x
    58.2 Croat_Zagreb
    41.6 Hungarian
    0.2 Ket

    Distance to: Hungarian_Alfold
    1.30112709 Croat_Zagreb
    1.55212047 Hungarian
    1.73000522 Slovenian
    2.56421115 Hungarian_Budapest
    3.41544742 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    3.89569054 Bosniak_Tuzla
    3.96082033 Hungarian_Northern
    3.96971576 Moldova_North
    4.28841787 Croat_Bosnia
    4.47741780 Croat_Herzegovina
    4.87007479 Hungarian_Transylvania
    5.36334649 Croat_Split
    5.37874207 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
    5.41391275 Slovak
    5.83957987 Hungarian_Szekely
    6.10199313 Serb_B&H
    6.15726488 Bosniak_Sarajevo
    6.16408440 Hungarian_Csango
    6.18370509 Bosniak
    6.88998276 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija

    Budapest
    Target: Hungarian_Budapest
    Distance: 0.6566% / 0.65660928 | ADC: 0.5x
    68.8 Hungarian
    26.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    5.0 East_German

    Distance to: Hungarian_Budapest
    1.19445296 Hungarian
    1.35236233 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    2.56323989 Slovenian
    2.56421115 Hungarian_Alfold
    3.38808286 Croat_Zagreb
    3.93654599 Hungarian_Northern
    5.36565175 Hungarian_Transylvania
    5.60423101 Slovak
    6.07556697 Moldova_North
    6.11472417 Hungarian_Szekely
    6.20039674 Bosniak_Tuzla
    6.21967108 Croat_Bosnia
    6.54334950 Czech
    6.63803089 Croat_Herzegovina
    6.65089079 Austrian
    7.11654590 East_German
    7.13844639 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
    7.14181048 Croat_Split
    7.38393141 Hungarian_Csango
    7.65880873 Serb_B&H
    7.90891304 Bosniak

    Transdanubia
    Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia
    Distance: 1.0130% / 1.01302282 | ADC: 0.5x
    96.0 Hungarian_Budapest
    2.2 West_German
    1.8 Swiss_German

    Distance to: Hungarian_Transdanubia
    1.35236233 Hungarian_Budapest
    1.91480367 Hungarian
    3.41544742 Hungarian_Alfold
    3.52261077 Slovenian
    4.16260773 Croat_Zagreb
    4.51254022 Hungarian_Northern
    5.62296280 Hungarian_Transylvania
    5.91811887 Austrian
    6.09002730 Hungarian_Szekely
    6.37724263 Slovak
    6.55859087 Croat_Bosnia
    6.77973966 East_German
    6.90795055 Bosniak_Tuzla
    6.93825529 Moldova_North
    6.96129760 Czech
    7.20231080 Croat_Herzegovina
    7.52705031 Croat_Split
    7.55421904 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
    7.57154113 Hungarian_Csango
    7.96697264 Serb_B&H

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    is looking very good!

    Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
    Distance: 1.4040% / 1.40401865

    48.0 Early_Slav_average
    34.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
    13.8 Early_Germanic
    4.2 Onogur-Bulgar

    Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia
    Distance: 1.2515% / 1.25147585

    52.8 Early_Slav_average
    24.6 Early_Germanic
    22.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite

    Target: Hungarian_Szekely
    Distance: 1.6083% / 1.60833681

    43.2 Early_Slav_average
    35.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
    16.2 Early_Germanic
    5.2 Onogur-Bulgar

    Target: Hungarian_Northern
    Distance: 1.9717% / 1.97169528

    67.6 Early_Slav_average
    17.0 Early_Germanic
    15.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite

    Target: Hungarian_Csango
    Distance: 2.3160% / 2.31599091

    50.2 Early_Slav_average
    38.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
    7.2 Early_Germanic
    2.6 Onogur-Bulgar
    1.4 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman

    Target: Hungarian_Budapest
    Distance: 0.8477% / 0.84766927

    56.6 Early_Slav_average
    22.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
    21.2 Early_Germanic

    Target: Hungarian_Alfold
    Distance: 1.2591% / 1.25907616

    62.6 Early_Slav_average
    25.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
    12.4 Early_Germanic

    Target: Hungarian
    Distance: 0.8477% / 0.84766927

    56.6 Early_Slav_average
    22.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
    21.2 Early_Germanic

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    This is a lot of work you have done Dunai, bravo! And köszönöm.

    Here is my dad's theoretical result (assuming I am mid-point of my parents). I used the new Transdanubia, Alfold, and Transylvania averages, as those were the most logical based on my known geographical ancestry. This is what I got:

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    Distance: 4.6076% / 4.60756481 | ADC: 0.25x
    62.2 Transdanubia
    37.8 Transylvania
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    Northern Hungary
    Target: Hungarian_Northern
    Distance: 1.0937% / 1.09369861 | ADC: 0.5x
    70.8 Slovak
    17.0 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    12.2 Hungarian

    Distance to: Hungarian_Northern
    2.25764950 Slovak
    3.67133107 Slovenian
    3.68237089 Czech
    3.91243703 Hungarian
    3.93654599 Hungarian_Budapest
    3.96082033 Hungarian_Alfold
    4.45808681 Croat_Zagreb
    4.51254022 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    5.39702283 Bosniak_Tuzla
    7.19971459 Moldova_North
    7.40335873 German_east
    7.45970617 South_Polish
    7.77206250 Croat_Herzegovina
    7.82454770 East_German
    7.86970547 Croat_Bosnia
    8.53991091 Hungarian_Transylvania
    8.63878633 Ukrainian_Lviv
    8.68200406 Austrian

    Transylvania
    Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
    Distance: 1.0048% / 1.00479899 | ADC: 0.5x
    83.6 Hungarian_Szekely
    10.2 Moldova_North
    6.2 Slovenian

    Distance to: Hungarian_Transylvania
    1.62642874 Hungarian_Szekely
    2.83985087 Hungarian_Csango
    3.53892365 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
    3.79411319 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
    3.85478115 Serb_B&H
    4.07326237 Croat_Split
    4.18836763 Croat_Bosnia
    4.40525764 Bosniak
    4.80736374 Hungarian
    4.83219211 Serb_B&H_Krajina
    4.87007479 Hungarian_Alfold
    4.90684310 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
    4.96068780 Moldova_North
    4.97704537 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
    5.03282714 Bosniak_Sarajevo
    5.04215464 Croat_Herzegovina
    5.12553780 Serb_Croatia
    5.17591074 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
    5.18215570 Croat_Zagreb
    5.30444105 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
    5.36565175 Hungarian_Budapest
    5.39286518 Serb
    5.62296280 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    5.82103942 Slovenian
    5.98358665 Serb_Serbia

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    Target: Hungarian_Csango
    Distance: 1.2494% / 1.24938173 | ADC: 0.5x
    56.8 Hungarian_Szekely
    33.2 Bosniak_Sarajevo
    10.0 Bulgarian_Pleven

    Distance to: Hungarian_Csango
    2.83197679 Hungarian_Szekely
    2.83985087 Hungarian_Transylvania
    2.97924172 Serb_B&H
    3.00924513 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
    3.14952080 Bosniak
    3.33060899 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
    3.39362362 Croat_Split
    3.64521818 Bosniak_Sarajevo
    3.67816615 Croat_Bosnia
    3.72084416 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
    3.74007436 Serb_Croatia
    3.85874089 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
    3.90114486 Serb
    3.91485392 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
    3.96855846 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
    4.18037752 Serb_B&H_Krajina
    4.28632783 Serb_Serbia
    4.53407722 Croat_Herzegovina
    4.79916464 Romania_Moldavia_North
    4.99036133 Romania_Moldavia_average
    5.14757528 Moldova_North
    5.45381117 Serb_Herzegovina
    5.61545468 Romania_Moldavia_South
    5.62604712 Bulgarian_Pleven
    5.93063919 Moldova_Centre

    Székely
    Target: Hungarian_Szekely
    Distance: 1.0906% / 1.09058184 | ADC: 0.5x
    92.6 Hungarian_Transylvania
    7.0 Bulgarian_Southwest
    0.4 West_German

    Distance to: Hungarian_Szekely
    1.62642874 Hungarian_Transylvania
    2.83197679 Hungarian_Csango
    3.25053802 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
    4.42399174 Serb_B&H
    4.55267719 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
    4.81136648 Croat_Split
    4.88462072 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
    4.96420494 Bosniak
    4.97353581 Croat_Bosnia
    5.21123174 Serb_B&H_Krajina
    5.36639364 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
    5.36991751 Serb_Croatia
    5.43842427 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
    5.46672131 Serb
    5.47653658 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
    5.60064831 Hungarian
    5.70240996 Bosniak_Sarajevo
    5.83957987 Hungarian_Alfold
    5.93630662 Croat_Herzegovina
    5.99791979 Serb_Serbia
    6.09002730 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    6.09348036 Moldova_North
    6.11472417 Hungarian_Budapest
    6.25711662 Croat_Zagreb
    6.45004502 Romania_Moldavia_North

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    that Central Asian 3% remains persistent:

    Target: Dunai
    Distance: 0.9389% / 0.93889893 | ADC: 0.25x
    53.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    34.6 Austrian
    5.0 North-Swedish
    2.4 Kirgiz
    2.0 West_German
    1.8 North_German
    0.8 Altaian
    0.2 Oroqen

    Target: Dunai
    Distance: 1.8451% / 1.84511292 | ADC: 0.5x
    50.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
    47.0 Austrian
    1.4 Altaian
    0.8 Kazakh
    0.6 North-Swedish

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    The averages for the various regions are a little closer to each other than I expected.

    The boost in the Baltic component for Northern Hungary, the slightly higher North Atlantic for Transdanubia, etc. confirm small but logical differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    The averages for the various regions are a little closer to each other than I expected.

    The boost in the Baltic component for Northern Hungary, the slightly higher North Atlantic for Transdanubia, etc. confirm small but logical differences.
    Indeed, among Northern Hungarians there is often some distant or not so distant Rusyn, Slovak or Polish ancestor based on my conversations. Surprisingly Transdanubia Hungarians are not as German-shifted as Northern Hungarians are Slavic-shifted, but they are very similar to regular Hungarians, based on the distance, almost identical. The same can be said of Budapest Hungarians. Alföld Hungarians are also very close to average Hungarians but in the same time very close to Northern South Slavs, unsurprisingly. Now the other group are the three Eastern Hungarian groups, which seem to form a cluster of their own: Transylvania, Székely and Csángó. Before this study I even believed that Transylvanian Hungarians will be more similar to average Hungarians than to Székelys, but these two seem to almost be identical to each other. Also interestingly all these three groups are more similar to Serbians and Bulgarians than to their close neighbors, the Romanians. But regular Hungarians are also quite close to Transylvanian Hungarians and Székelys.

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