The most ultimate Hungarian K13 database thus far

[ixulescu]

Hungarians are clearly visible northern than Romanians, more northern than vast majority of Moldavians from Republic. Why a nigga like you don't understand this from the beginning?

Hungarians are more Northern, but not much more. The map is not properly oriented, it needs at least 45 degrees counter-clockwise rotation. I explained why earlier.

Anyhow, reading cardinal directions on a PCA is a risky business. While there is a correspondence to geographical coordinates, people need to understand that PCA only maps datapoints to orthogonal coordinates, which destroys all the non-linearities in the data. This is why we cannot say whether an individual datapoint is more northern or sourthern than another one close-by, but we can still have some conclusions on regional averages.

[Aspirin]

Hungarians are more Northern, but not much more.

[ixulescu]

[Lucas]

Added to K13 Vahaduo, and removed previous Hungarian refs.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm


Hungarian average

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.2057% / 0.20569609 | ADC: 0.25x
44.2 Hungarian_Alfold
28.2 Hungarian_Budapest
25.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
2.0 Hungarian_Csango
0.4 Csango_Gymes

[oszkar07]

Distance to: Oszkar
3.72317069 Austrian
4.00468476 East_German
6.94743838 German_east
7.24774164 Hungarian_Transdanubia
7.88518682 Hungarian_Budapest
8.14288647 Czech
8.76476859 Hungarian_Northern
8.77407931 Hungarian
9.68033052 Slovenian
9.87765876 Slovak
10.10673542 Hungarian_Alfold
10.11881910 German_West
10.71997201 West_German
10.79100088 Croat_Zagreb
10.81012026 Swiss_German
11.34722874 North_German
11.58932699 South_Dutch
11.69656787 Danish
11.84923626 Csango_Gymes
11.89489425 Hungarian_Transylvania
12.09803715 Hungarian_Szekely
12.39052864 Szekely_Hungarian
12.55726085 Swedish
13.26481813 Swiss_French
13.33460911 Croat_Bosnia
13.69373579 Moldova_North
13.72289692 North-Swedish
13.86021284 South_Polish
13.96531619 Hungarian_Csango
13.98615387 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
14.02118041 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
14.18815351 Croat_Herzegovina
14.35983983 Croat_Split
14.38329587 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
14.68554051 Serb_B&H
14.89497902 English

[Unknown European]

Lol, just being polite when I say this has been done ad-nauseam at this point by scientists. Hungarian is considered by (some) indeed as an Ugric language (not a branch of Finnic at all, one is not a child system of the other and the largest segment of our words are of an "unknown" origin; this is from the Ugric supporters), and the Hungarian conquerer population isn't even close with Khanty or Mansi. They are closest to Turkic Bashkirs, followed then by modern Hungarians.

Khanty and Mansi were included as well in the genetic study. They aren't even close to us or our Conqueror ancestors as other Turkic populations.

No offense taken but shouldn't there be at least some portion of the conquerors ancestry that should derive from an Khanty-Mansi related population. can you send links of some of the studies.

[Leto]

Ironically the brand new average is only slightly different from the original one

32.55 North_Atlantic
31.85 Baltic
12.85 West_Med
7.55 West_Asian
10.41 East_Med
1.21 Red_Sea
0.83 South_Asian
0.21 East_Asian
1.11 Siberian
0.97 Amerindian
0.14
0.29
0.02

Interesting. Just proving it wasn't a bad average at all

Distance to: Old_HU_average
1.53138386 Hungarian_Transdanubia
2.09842520 Hungarian_Budapest
2.64835397 Hungarian
4.04034568 Hungarian_Alfold
4.30117912 Slovenian
4.41299107 Hungarian_Northern
4.79158638 Croat_Zagreb
5.94163277 Austrian
6.27292099 Hungarian_Transylvania
6.27789317 Slovak
6.62932877 Czech
6.64973538 Hungarian_Szekely
6.75546445 East_German
7.30041095 Croat_Bosnia
7.39605300 Moldova_North
7.68292262 Croat_Herzegovina
7.76564872 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
8.08390415 Hungarian_Csango
8.26076268 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
8.27422504 Croat_Split

Target: Old_HU_average
Distance: 1.2748% / 1.27481501 | ADC: 0.5x
97.4 Hungarian_Transdanubia
2.2 North-Swedish
0.4 Tabassaran

Target: Old_HU_average
Distance: 0.9330% / 0.93298879 | ADC: 0.25x
88.6 Hungarian_Transdanubia
4.8 North-Swedish
4.4 Hungarian_Northern
1.4 Tabassaran
0.8 Pomak_Central-Macedonia

[Dunai]

It is common and not propaganda. Budapest has one of largest Jewish populations in Europe and largest synagogue in Europe is located in Pest.

If you mean people of mixed Jewish and Hungarian background, they do live in Budapest for sure, but from my research I didn't find any evidence that Jews had any real impact on the population of Budapest and its surroundings who are mostly of Hungarian ethnic origin, since the Red Sea, West Asian and East Med averages are one of the lowest among any Hungarian reference groups.

[Jana]

If you mean people of mixed Jewish and Hungarian background, they do live in Budapest for sure, but from my research I didn't find any evidence that Jews had any real impact on the population of Budapest and its surroundings who are mostly of Hungarian ethnic origin, since the Red Sea and East Med average is one of the lowest among any Hungarian reference group.

European Jews mostly kept to themself, according to what I have been told they began mixing with locals quite recently (and only non religious ones)

[Leto]

If you mean people of mixed Jewish and Hungarian background, they do live in Budapest for sure, but from my research I didn't find any evidence that Jews had any real impact on the population of Budapest and its surroundings who are mostly of Hungarian ethnic origin, since the Red Sea, West Asian and East Med averages are one of the lowest among any Hungarian reference groups.

Yes, this is what I mean, Feiichy kinda missed the point. Jewish admixture, I wasn't talking about how many synagogues there are in Budapest and how many people attend them.