Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

**Jana** · 05-10-2020, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Lukasz

But on this map most eastern province was partly repopulated after '90 Balkan wars when most Serbs from it left. I don't think he checked if his Croats from eastern Slavonia are autochtonous. Maybe some Dalmatians settled there.

Another case if we can trust those averages on this map.

Serbs actually left west Slavonia after operation Flash. East Slavonia was peacefully reintegrated in 1998 and one of conditions was to leave Serbian population there.
I think east Slavonia may be darker because it had big Danube Swabian population (west Slavonia did not),and after Germans were expelled lot ofcolonists from dinaric alps moved in the region.
Both Serbs and Croats. This happened after WW2. Due to hunger for example lot of Dalmatian and Herzegovians were moved there.

But recently no influx from south came. Now people are leaving Slavonia, you are more likely to find Slavonian in Rijeka or Split than the opposite.

**Lucas** · 05-10-2020, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Est.1992

Serbs actually left west Slavonia after operation Flash. East Slavonia was peacefully reintegrated in 1998 and one of conditions was to leave Serbian population there.
I think east Slavonia may be darker because it had big Danube Swabian population (west Slavonia did not),and after Germans were expelled lot ofcolonists from dinaric alps moved in the region.
Both Serbs and Croats. This happened after WW2. Due to hunger for example lot of Dalmatian and Herzegovians were moved there.

But recently no influx from south came. Now people are leaving Slavonia, you are more likely to find Slavonian in Rijeka or Split than the opposite.

If some Germans in Croatia left? For eample they "croatized" themselves officially (change of surnames etc).

**Jana** · 05-10-2020, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Lukasz

If some Germans in Croatia left? For eample they "croatized" themselves officially (change of surnames etc).

Yes.

German surnames are not hard to find in Croatia. Those were mostly urban Germans who croatized, rural Germans had compact and homogenous villages and those are mostly gone.

**Mingle** · 05-10-2020, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by ph2ter

West Slavonia has significant Czech minority. East Slavonia has some autochtonous pockets of population from Middle Ages, but is mainly populated from Bosnian Posavina (that stream was going even before Turkish invasions).
Serbs are there from Turkish times. After expulsion of Turks, East Slavonia is also repopulated by German settlers (who were expelled in majority after WWII). There is also autochtonous Hungarian minority. Majority of Serbs in East Slavonia as far as I know stayed in East Slavonia. It was peacefully integrated in Croatia.

So East Slavonia is mainly comprised of Croats from Bosnian Posavina while West Slavonia is mainly comprised of autochthonous Croats?

**ph2ter** · 05-10-2020, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Mingle

So East Slavonia is mainly comprised of Croats from Bosnian Posavina while West Slavonia is mainly comprised of autochthonous Croats?

West Slavonian population is according to their origin very mixed. It was part of Military border.
There in Turkish times came Serbs, but after conquest it was repopulated from different parts of Austria-Hungary, for example by the Czechs and Slovaks.
Autochtonous Medieval population are only some pockets of Kaykavians in its northern and western part (around Kutina and Virovitica) and a population with distant origin (in past) from Bosnian Posavina (Požega and Brod Posavina).

**vbnetkhio** · 05-10-2020, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by ph2ter

West Slavonian population is according to their origin very mixed. It was part of Military border.
There in Turkish times came Serbs, but after conquest it was repopulated from different parts of Austria-Hungary, for example by the Czechs and Slovaks.
Autochtonous Medieval population are only some pockets of Kaykavians in its northern and western part (around Kutina and Virovitica) and a population with distant origin (in past) from Bosnian Posavina (Požega and Brod Posavina).

this person is from the area between Slatina and Našice, also 1/8 from Gorski Kotar and 1/8 Hungarian.

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	33.45
2	North_Atlantic	32.37
3	West_Med	14.4
4	East_Med	9.09
5	West_Asian	6.37
6	Red_Sea	1.6
7	Siberian	1.32
8	Amerindian	0.59
9	Oceanian	0.31
10	East_Asian	0.24
11	South_Asian	0.2
12	Northeast_African	0.07

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Hungarian	2.67
2	East_German	5.32
3	Croatian	5.4
4	Austrian	5.56
5	Moldavian	7.69
6	South_Polish	8.79
7	Ukrainian_Lviv	9.55
8	Serbian	9.56
9	Ukrainian	10.58
10	Polish	12.36
11	West_German	13.61
12	Romanian	13.92
13	North_Swedish	14.66
14	South_Dutch	14.7
15	Southwest_Russian	14.79
16	Southwest_Finnish	15.03
17	North_German	15.1
18	Ukrainian_Belgorod	15.27
19	Russian_Smolensk	15.43
20	Estonian_Polish	15.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	61.3%	Southwest_Russian	+	38.7%	Spanish_Cataluna	@	1.56
2	 	60.6%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	39.4%	Spanish_Cataluna	@	1.6
3	 	78.3%	Croatian	+	21.7%	Southeast_English	@	1.66
4	 	62.7%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	37.3%	Spanish_Murcia	@	1.67
5	 	74.4%	South_Polish	+	25.6%	Spanish_Extremadura	@	1.72
6	 	50.8%	Croatian	+	49.2%	Austrian	@	1.73
7	 	72.9%	South_Polish	+	27.1%	Portuguese	@	1.75
8	 	61.5%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	38.5%	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon	@	1.76
9	 	74.8%	South_Polish	+	25.2%	Spanish_Murcia	@	1.76
10	 	79%	Croatian	+	21%	Orcadian	@	1.78
11	 	65.3%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	34.7%	Spanish_Aragon	@	1.81
12	 	54.2%	Southwest_Russian	+	45.8%	French	@	1.81
13	 	80.2%	Croatian	+	19.8%	Southwest_English	@	1.82
14	 	62.6%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	37.4%	Spanish_Valencia	@	1.85
15	 	74.2%	Croatian	+	25.8%	South_Dutch	@	1.86
16	 	63.5%	Southwest_Russian	+	36.5%	Spanish_Murcia	@	1.87
17	 	62.3%	Southwest_Russian	+	37.7%	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon	@	1.9
18	 	80.7%	Croatian	+	19.3%	West_Scottish	@	1.92
19	 	64.2%	Southwest_Russian	+	35.8%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha	@	1.92
20	 	63.5%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	36.5%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha	@	1.93

**Leto** · 05-10-2020, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

this person is from the area between Slatina and Našice, also 1/8 from Gorski Kotar and 1/8 Hungarian.

May I see their Dodecad? How much NE and AM.

**Jana** · 05-10-2020, 08:15 PM

^^^Do I have this kit?

**vbnetkhio** · 05-10-2020, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

May I see their Dodecad? How much NE and AM.

here

Population
Gedrosia 4.24 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.38 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.36 Pct
North_European 47.12 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.54 Pct
East_Asian 0.18 Pct
Caucasus 16.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

**Leto** · 05-10-2020, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

here

Population
Gedrosia 4.24 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.38 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.36 Pct
North_European 47.12 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.54 Pct
East_Asian 0.18 Pct
Caucasus 16.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: ~
1.55775479 Hungarians
4.77324837 Croat
6.13815119 Bosnian
7.49959999 R.Moldova_Centre+North
8.94271212 HUN_Szekely
8.94858089 Sorb_Lusatia
9.34048179 German
9.86327025 Serb
10.00658283 Ukrainian
12.43364790 Rus_Smolensk
12.66657807 PL_Mazovia
13.46286374 Rus_Kostroma
13.69754358 Montenegrin
15.07594773 Rus_Tver
15.20227615 Southwest_Rus
16.00184677 Macedonian
16.73901431 Mixed_Germanic
16.99844110 Pomak
17.06911245 Romanians
17.63055870 Dutch

Target: ~
Distance: 1.3827% / 1.38270771 | ADC: 1x
95.8 Hungarians
4.2 Croat

Target: ~
Distance: 1.0266% / 1.02657137 | ADC: 0.5x
83.8 Hungarians
15.4 Croat
0.8 German

Target: ~
Distance: 0.6306% / 0.63056815 | ADC: 0.25x
79.8 Hungarians
11.6 Croat
4.8 German
3.2 HUN_Szekely
0.4 Saudis
0.2 Ket

Maybe Dushan was right saying the Croat average on Dodecad is a bit too Southern. But I cannot correct it myself even if that's the case.