Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

**Jana** · 05-10-2020, 08:28 PM

Well this person has very above average North Atlantic for a Croat.
It's definitely north shifted from average.

I'd include her/him in Slavonian Croat average, because I don't look further than 4 grandparents born in same region and 1/8 foreign ancestry I accept.

**Mingle** · 05-10-2020, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by ph2ter

West Slavonian population is according to their origin very mixed. It was part of Military border.
There in Turkish times came Serbs, but after conquest it was repopulated from different parts of Austria-Hungary, for example by the Czechs and Slovaks.
Autochtonous Medieval population are only some pockets of Kaykavians in its northern and western part (around Kutina and Virovitica) and a population with distant origin (in past) from Bosnian Posavina (Požega and Brod Posavina).

Well, based on this, it seems like the two regions of Slavonia had different population movements and should be given separate averages (once there are enough samples). I'd expect West Slavonia Croats to score like other North Croats while East Slavonia Croats would probably score more like Bosnian Croats.

**Lucas** · 05-10-2020, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by ph2ter

West Slavonian population is according to their origin very mixed. It was part of Military border.
There in Turkish times came Serbs, but after conquest it was repopulated from different parts of Austria-Hungary, for example by the Czechs and Slovaks.
Autochtonous Medieval population are only some pockets of Kaykavians in its northern and western part (around Kutina and Virovitica) and a population with distant origin (in past) from Bosnian Posavina (Požega and Brod Posavina).

Those Czech and Slovaks are assimilated to Croat body now?

**Jana** · 05-10-2020, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Mingle

Well based on this, it seems like the two regions of Slavonia had different population movements and should be given separate averages (once there are enough samples). I'd expect West Slavonia Croats to score like other North Croats while East Slavonia Croats would probably score more like Bosnian Croats.

Hopefully soon I will have results of another east Slavonian Croat.
Woman I ordered test for is from these 2 locations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cepin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuka,_...Baranja_County

She belongs to Šokac Croat subgroup.

**ph2ter** · 05-10-2020, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Lukasz

Those Czech and Slovaks are assimilated to Croat body now?

I think in majority. Today is 10 000 people with such self-identification. They have also their representative in Croatian Parliament.

**Dušan** · 05-10-2020, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Maybe Dushan was right saying the Croat average on Dodecad is a bit too Southern. But I cannot correct it myself even if that's the case.

I am always right.

According to that silly average, I am closer to it than ph2ter is, and that situation is ridiculous.

**Jana** · 05-10-2020, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dušan

I am always right.

According to that silly average, I am closer to it than ph2ter is, and that situation is ridiculous.

Nothing ridiculous about that. He is most northern shifted Croats can get more of less while your results are pretty average except lower north atlantic.

**Dušan** · 05-10-2020, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Est.1992

Nothing ridiculous about that. He is most northern shifted Croats can get more of less while your results are pretty average except lower north atlantic.

He is average for NW Croats, who are always underestimated in counting of Croatian average.
Insisting on dalmatian and herzegovian results is pushing Croats closer to Serbs and away from Hungarians.

And no, I am not average, because, beside my very low N.Atlantic, my K13 west Med (Vlach) blood is higher than any Croatian average.

**Leto** · 05-10-2020, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dušan

I am always right.

According to that silly average, I am closer to it than ph2ter is, and that situation is ridiculous.

We will replace it if a better one is available. Maybe some academic samples.

**Jana** · 05-10-2020, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Dušan

He is average for NW Croats, who are always underestimated in counting of Croatian average.
Insisting on dalmatian and herzegovian results is pushing Croats closer to Serbs and away from Hungarians.

And no, I am not average, because, beside my very low N.Atlantic, my K13 west Med (Vlach) blood is higher than any Croatian average.

It depends, my father is only 1/8 NW Croat and his second closest population are Alfold Hungarians.