Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

[Dušan]

Also let's not forget colonisation of Croatian Slavonia WW1 Serbian soldiers from Salonica front or colonisation of Croatian coastal cities with JNA Serbian/Montenegrin personnel after WW2.
1/3 of my block in Rijeka consists of ''deca vojnih lica'' from east. You always came to us, never the opposite.

There were virtually zero Croats in Belgrade before creation of Yugoslavia in 1918.
On census 1961. there were 35.000 Croats in Belgrade. Why those immigrants came to Serbia?

[Jana]

Serb communists? It was Croat Josip Broz Tito who was the head of Yugoslavia, and who made all desicions.

And no, most of former German setllements in eastern Slavonia and Baranya, were settled by Croats.
Large German villages were Jarmina and Neudorf near Vinkovci, completly settled my Croatian immigrants, as well as Retfala and Josipovac near Osijek.

There are several villages that were partly Croatian partly German, such as Sotin, Lovas, Ilača, Nijemci, near border with Serbia, who became completly Croatian after expulsion of Germans. No Serbs settled there.

Not to mention Baranya, where in towns Beli Manastir (Pelmonostor) and Darda only Serbs, Germans and Hungarians lived, and than Croats replaced Germans.
Villages in Baranya, that where completly German - Čeminac, Grabovac, Kozarac and Petlovac, now are completly Croatian.

Assimilation of Czechs was not voluntary, but result of Croatocentric educational system. Serbia preserve all its ethnic minorities unlike xenophobic Croatia.

There were much more Germans in Vojvodina and guess who replaced them-Serbs.
Trying to show Croats wanted to get rid of Germans, our allies, is beyond laughable.

NDH was last German ally in Europe, and yes they wanted so bad to expel Germans? LMAO. Maybe you should write fantasy fiction.
We would very much want Germans back in Slavonia, they were higher quality minority than Serbian troublemakers.

Nope, there was not any planned assimilation of Czechs. If you claim something, you should present evidence.
Czechs have their representative in Croatian parliament, unlike any minority in Serbia, Czech schools and most importantly they defended Croatia togheder with Croats in last war.

Serb war crimes against Czechs of Croatia.They attacked them because Czechs were loyal to their Croatian homeland.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php305254-War-crime-against-Czech-and-Hungarian-minority-committed-by-Serb-rebels-and-Yugoslav-army

You just can't understand what natural assimilation is because Serbs do everything with force.
Serbs even changed surnames of Macedonian Slavs to more Serbian sounding during occupation of that land, this is something completely unimaginable here.

Ofcourse central Europeans won't assimilate with orthodox Serbs who were part of different civilisation for centuries.
However plenty of Vlachs did assimilate into Serbs.

[Jana]

There were virtually zero Croats in Belgrade before creation of Yugoslavia in 1918.
On census 1961. there were 35.000 Croats in Belgrade. Why those immigrants came to Serbia?

Great number indeed. Most likely people married for Serbs and communist officials who worked in Belgrade.

[Dušan]

There were much more Germans in Vojvodina and guess who replaced them-Serbs.
Trying to show Croats wanted to get rid of Germans, our allies, is beyond laughable.

NDH was last German ally in Europe, and yes they wanted so bad to expel Germans? LMAO. Maybe you should write fantasy fiction.
We would very much want Germans back in Slavonia, they were higher quality minority than Serbian troublemakers.

Nope, there was not any planned assimilation of Czechs. If you claim something, you should present evidence.
Czechs have their representative in Croatian parliament, unlike any minority in Serbia, Czech schools and most importantly they defended Croatia togheder with Croats in last war.

Serb war crimes against Czechs of Croatia.They attacked them because Czechs were loyal to their Croatian homeland.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php305254-War-crime-against-Czech-and-Hungarian-minority-committed-by-Serb-rebels-and-Yugoslav-army

You just can't understand what natural assimilation is because Serbs do everything with force.
Serbs even changed surnames of Macedonian Slavs to more Serbian sounding during occupation of that land, this is something completely unimaginable here.

Ofcourse central Europeans won't assimilate with orthodox Serbs who were part of different civilisation for centuries.
However plenty of Vlachs did assimilate into Serbs.

Yes, we all know that Croatia was most faithfull Hitler's collaborator.

I am talking about one century of expulsion of non-Croats from todays Croatia, either by Croatian nazi ustaše who killed and expelled Serbs and completly exterminated Jews and Roma in Croatia, either by Croatian communists who expell Italians and Germans.
As a result of that percentage of non-Croats fell from 32% to less than 9%.

Facts are facts. You cannot change these numbers.

[Jana]

Yes, we all know that Croatia was most faithfull Hitler's collaborator.

I am talking about one century of expulsion of non-Croats from todays Croatia, either by Croatian nazi ustaše who killed and expelled Serbs and completly exterminated Jews and Roma in Croatia, either by Croatian communists who expell Italians and Germans.
As a result of that percentage of non-Croats fell from 32% to less than 9%.

Facts are facts. You cannot change these numbers.

Nope. In early 20th century Croatian lands had different borders than today, without Croat majority Međimurje and Istria and with Serb-majority east Syrmia plus Montenegrin majority Boka kotorska. And I have to correct you that Yugoslav communists expelled Germans, not ''Croatian communists''.

There were never any Croatian communists, only Yugoslav ones who fought for Yugoslavia.

And they are responsible for killing of tens of thousands to more than hundred thousand Croats after WW2.

[Dušan]

Nope. In early 20th century Croatian lands had different borders than today, without Croat majority Međimurje and Istria and with Serb-majority east Syrmia plus Montenegrin majority Boka kotorska. And I have to correct you that Yugoslav communists expelled Germans, not ''Croatian communists''.

There were never any Croatian communists, only Yugoslav ones who fought for Yugoslavia.

And they are responsible for killing of tens of thousands to more than hundred thousand Croats after WW2.

No, that percentage is reffered for territory of todays Croatia, with Istria,Međimurje and Baranya, and without east Srem and Boka.





Facts are facts.

[Jana]

No, that percentage is reffered for territory of todays Croatia, with Istria,Međimurje and Baranya, and without east Srem and Boka.





Facts are facts.

Germans are gone, Serb and Italian numbers were greatly reduced while all others are still here, naturally assimilating like in every normal country.

Now tell me how did number of Serbs of Vojvodina increase from tiny 33% to 67% today only in last century?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...y_of_Vojvodina

Ofcourse I know how. I suggest you to clean your own backyard first.

[Dušan]

Germans are gone, Serb and Italian numbers were greatly reduced while all others are still here, naturally assimilating like in every normal country.

Now tell me how did number of Serbs of Vojvodina increase from tiny 33% to 67% today only in last century?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...y_of_Vojvodina

Ofcourse I know how. I suggest you to clean your own backyard first.

How? By expulsions of Serbs from Croatia, and half of Bosnia-Herzegovina by Croats and Bosnian Muslims.
Thats how number of Serbs in Vojvodina increased.

[Jana]

How? By expulsions of Serbs from Croatia, and half of Bosnia-Herzegovina by Croats and Bosnian Muslims.
Thats how number of Serbs in Vojvodina increased.

In last census before Yugoslav wars percentage of Serbs in Vojvodina already increased to 57%.
After the wars it increased to current 67%. So, largest Serb population increase happened after WW1 and WW2.

Those are facts.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...nalCode=cjgr20

‘Ethnic cleansing’ in peacetime? Yugoslav/Serb colonization projects in Vojvodina in the twentieth century'

This article deals with post-war population movements affecting Yugoslav Vojvodina in the period between 1918 and 1996, with a strong focus on the first half of the twentieth century. It is argued that many Yugoslav/Serbian political and military leaders considered the aftermaths of wars and wars in the neighbourhood respectively a convenient window of opportunity for ‘adjusting’ the ethnic structure in specific regions according to their visions and ideals. Such an ethnic ‘cleansing’ combined with social engineering occurred in Vojvodina in the years from 1919 to 1922, from 1944 to 1947 and again during the Yugoslav wars of secession in the 1990s. With each of these colonization projects, this ‘most European region of Serbia’ (Aleksandar Popov, Director of the Centre for Regionalism, Novi Sad) became more Serbian on the one hand and less multicultural on the other.

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New averages from the results collected by Feiichy, CommonSense, Peterski, Mingle and me.

.	North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_Afr	Sub-Saharan
Croat_B&H_Bosnia	27.52	32.18	15.42	7.12	13.80	1.50	0.64	0.29	0.62	0.30	0.43	0.07	0.12
Croat_B&H_Herzegovina	24.67	32.93	15.61	8.62	14.05	1.48	0.72	0.19	0.45	0.60	0.41	0.03	0.07
Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia	26.20	31.95	15.68	9.32	12.99	1.71	0.53	0.37	0.37	0.48	0.21	0.11	0.07
Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia	26.19	31.56	16.05	8.45	13.66	1.57	0.49	0.19	0.59	0.53	0.37	0.20	0.12
Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar	31.53	32.48	14.46	7.52	10.28	1.15	0.62	0.29	0.53	0.55	0.31	0.14	0.12
Croat_Croatia_Zagorje	31.65	34.32	13.07	7.78	8.75	1.54	0.74	0.55	0.29	0.82	0.23	0.09	0.16
Croat_Croatia_Istria&Kvarner	26.02	32.70	15.67	7.51	14.51	1.76	0.19	0.46	0.21	0.38	0.51	0.07	0.02
Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj	26.92	32.68	15.74	7.65	13.07	1.54	0.31	0.25	0.54	0.54	0.52	0.14	0.09
Croat_Croatia_Slavonia	28.33	32.94	13.58	8.45	12.75	1.27	0.05	0.24	1.29	0.73	0.34	0.02	0.02
Croat_Croatia_Central	30.20	33.91	14.98	7.32	9.69	1.11	0.84	0.23	0.35	0.44	0.66	0.05	0.28