Bulgar terror in Macedonia

[Crn Volk]

New York Times 23 November 1948 - Skopje, Macedonia - Bulgar Army officers put on trial for war crimes committed against Macedonians during WWII

[Vojnik]

Glorious liberators my ass. They ended up being worse then the Turks......

[MegaArgus1]

After all that they have courage to say that we do not have identity nor language.

[Crn Volk]

After all that they have courage to say that we do not have identity nor language.

They are still pursuing the same policies. That's fine. The problem is, our leaders don't realise this and have decided that we should not pursue our interests.

There's a reason Chento rejected their offers;

„...на поминување во Скопје, бев повикан од Македонскиот национален комитет кој имаше карактер на - македонска територијалност, бугарска националност. а негов претседател беше Стефан Стефанов. Комитетот го определи адвокатот од Кавадарци - Атанасов, да ми објасни дека треба да соработувам со бугарската власт, бидејќи Македонија се обединила со Бугарија. Мојот одговор во присуство на Матов и инженерот Цветко беа дека јас нема да соработувам со бугарската власт, затоа што не се чувствувам Бугарин, туку Македонец, и затоа што за мене е важно обединувањето на цела Македонија и на националните права на Македонците.“

Методија Андонов-Ченто,
разговор воден на 26 Април 1941 година, споменат во „Жалба од Методија Андонов Ченто осуденик на КПЗ Идризово“, до Окружниот суд Скопје До Врховниот суд на НР Македонија, од 4 декември 1947 Скопје

[TheMaestro]

Killing their own people, where have we come..








Sorry I had to XDDDD

[MegaArgus1]

They are still pursuing the same policies. That's fine. The problem is, our leaders don't realise this and have decided that we should not pursue our interests.

There's a reason Chento rejected their offers;

„...на поминување во Скопје, бев повикан од Македонскиот национален комитет кој имаше карактер на - македонска територијалност, бугарска националност. а негов претседател беше Стефан Стефанов. Комитетот го определи адвокатот од Кавадарци - Атанасов, да ми објасни дека треба да соработувам со бугарската власт, бидејќи Македонија се обединила со Бугарија. Мојот одговор во присуство на Матов и инженерот Цветко беа дека јас нема да соработувам со бугарската власт, затоа што не се чувствувам Бугарин, туку Македонец, и затоа што за мене е важно обединувањето на цела Македонија и на националните права на Македонците.“

Методија Андонов-Ченто,
разговор воден на 26 Април 1941 година, споменат во „Жалба од Методија Андонов Ченто осуденик на КПЗ Идризово“, до Окружниот суд Скопје До Врховниот суд на НР Македонија, од 4 декември 1947 Скопје

Our leaders like Zaev and Sheheriska trade the national interest with personal interest.

[-Invictus-]

Partial transription of the trial for war crimes of Asen Bogdanov, former
head of police of the Skopje area (during the Bulgarian occupation), which
took place on November 21, 1948 in Skopje


http://www.makedonika.org/history/20...20Bogdanov.pdf

Public Prosecutor:
- Why did the accused Bogdanov, upon coming to Macedonia, got the
impression that the Bulgarian authorities cannot deal with the Movement for
Liberation?
Asen Bogdanov:
- I got that impression in the second half of 1943, because the Bulgarian
authorities were totally powerless, having no support by the people. The
Macedonian people, except a small percentage, was in a bad mood towards and
considered the Bulgarian authorities as an enemy. The people produced the
participants in the Movement. The systematic growth of the number of those
persons was evident, and the Bulgarian authorities had the support of just a few
individuals.
Public Prosecutor:
- What were your impressions regarding the nationality of the Macedonian
people upon your arrival in Macedonija?
Asen Bogdanov:
- Before I came to Macedonia I was under the impression that here there really
is a Bulgarian element. That notion was planted in our minds for years: that
Macedonia belongs to Bulgaria, that those people are Bulgarian, that the
Bulgarian Empire existed here. It was a great surprise to me. I realized that the
Bulgarian element was present only in few wealthy persons, who came close to
the Bulgarian authorities, a handful of intellectuals that belong to the
organization of our people. All others lived with the notion about their
nationality, about their heritage - that they are Macedonians.
Juror:
- Who organized the special forces for bulgarisation of the Macedonian
people?
Asen Bogdanov:
- They were organized by a decision of the Council of Ministers, under direct
control of the Ministry of Interior.
Juror:
- What was required from the persons sent by the Bulgarian administrative and
police machinery?
Asen Bogdanov:
- They had to be abundant with the notion for bulgarisation of the Macedonian
people and for keeping of these parts, at any cost, under Bulgarian rule. They
had to have the qualities of fighters against the Movement for People's
Liberation.
Juror:
- Did they meet the expectations of their superiors who sent them to
Macedonia?
Asen Bogdanov:
- Yes.
Juror:
- How?
Asen Bogdanov:
- With the struggle they lead and the unconditional application of the
Bulgarian government's measures of terror, liquidation, execution, arson etc.
Juror:
- Who did the killings: was it the military or the police?
Asen Bogdanov:
- Both.
Juror:
- How were they killed: by hanging, slaughter or shooting?
Asen Bogdanov:
- There were shootings, some died after being beaten to death, and some after
being thrown into Vardar [river].

Source: Jovan Pavlovski, "Sudenjata kako posleden poraz", ("Trials as a last
defeat"), second edition, 1979,
Publisher: "Centar za informiranje i izdavachka dejnost "Polog" - Tetovo

"Source: Jovan Pavlovski, "Sudenjata kako posleden poraz", ("Trials as a last
defeat"), second edition, 1979,
Publisher: "Centar za informiranje i izdavachka dejnost "Polog" - Tetovo"

Look, I'm not gonna research every Balkan killing or uprising in the 19th-20th centuries. It's soul draining.

Bulgarian soldiers killed Serbians and serboman Macedonians in Vardar. That's true. Bulgarian soldiers suppressed a communist revolt in Drama in WW2. That's also true. I'm not proud of these things, but maybe some of them had to be done. War is war. Also imagine priests, teachers, mayors, committee members, vojvodas and so on converting your brothers in north parts of Macedonia to being Serbian. Some of them did it with teaching, but some of them did it with a weapon.

Did Greeks kill Bulgarian civilians in Macedonia and Thrace? Yes - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destru...arians_in_1913
Also it's not like Bulgaria has less right of having Western Thrace within its borders than Greece.

Historically the region was part of the First and Second Bulgarian Kingdoms for a pretty good amount of time. Also in late Ottoman times Bulgarians had a majority over the Greeks there - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Thrace "During Ottoman rule, Thrace had a mixed population of Turks and Bulgarians, with a strong Greek element in the cities and the Aegean Sea littoral."

From a genetic standpoint, a study on a completely different topic puts today's Greeks in Macedonia and Thrace(even after all the wars and population exchanges) closer to Bulgarians and Macedonians, compared to Peloponnese, Central and even Thessaloniki Greeks.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4558026/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw...35820.g002.jpg

The topic went a little away from Macedonian Wikipedia and sites such as grreporter(Greek reporter), so I'll stop here. I think you get my point.

[MegaArgus1]

I have never met a Bulgarian speaking with respect towers Macedonians.
I understand their feelings.
If they recognize our identity and language their history will be crippled and their identity questioned.

[-Invictus-]

I have never met a Bulgarian speaking with respect towers Macedonians.
I understand their feelings.
If they recognize our identity and language their history will be crippled and their identity questioned.

Hold on. There are many Macedonians who deserve and get our respect. I have Macedonian friends who live here. Have you ever been in Bulgaria?

On the other hand Bulgarians will never talk with respect to people who call them Tatar Mongols. I think that's common sense.

About the "identity questioned part" - Who and how will question our identity if we look down on some Macedonians(you know which ones)? How is the Bulgarian identity weak?

The First Bulgarian Empire ruled over almost the whole Balkans and Transylvania. The capital of Hungary - Budapest was originally a town created by Simeon I - Pest. Pest = Пещ = Furnace. I think you can understand it, because a synonym word for it is печка, which also strangely exists in Macedonian language, but not in Serbian.



The Cyrillic alphabet that hundreds of millions use today was written in the Preslav Literary School by the disciples of Cyril and Methodius - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script

I can go on, but I think that's enough to prove the point.

[Crn Volk]

Hold on. There are many Macedonians who deserve and get our respect. I have Macedonian friends who live here. Have you ever been in Bulgaria?

On the other hand Bulgarians will never talk with respect to people who call them Tatar Mongols. I think that's common sense.

About the "identity questioned part" - Who and how will question our identity if we look down on some Macedonians(you know which ones)? How is the Bulgarian identity weak?

The First Bulgarian Empire ruled over almost the whole Balkans and Transylvania. The capital of Hungary - Budapest was originally a town created by Simeon I - Pest. Pest = Пещ = Furnace. I think you can understand it, because a synonym word for it is печка, which also strangely exists in Macedonian language, but not in Serbian.



The Cyrillic alphabet that hundreds of millions use today was written in the Preslav Literary School by the disciples of Cyril and Methodius - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script

I can go on, but I think that's enough to prove the point.

We don't care about your point. I've read it a million times and reject it. Your government's current behavior is driving a wedge between the Macedonian and Bulgarian people. Instead of respecting our wishes, they wish to pursue the same 19th century politics towards us, and this time using EU structures to do so. Well, you are no Greece. You are a push over. Our lobby is stronger than yours. We will drag the Bulgarian name through the mud in this process. People will actually learn where Bulgaria is and who Bulgarians are. Don't worry, we'll put you on the map. I haven't posted Bulgarian soldiers shipping Jews off to Treblinka as I don't need to. I'll limit this to just atrocities against Macedonians. The others can do their own bidding.