French Regional Averages by Tomenable

[Samnium]

Yeah I saw that result from Annecy too, maybe descended from migrants from Savoie.

Natives from Haute-Savoie very likely don't look like that but I think it's because we lack samples to know what the "average" is. I don't know if they have released the "RAW" data of the Giemza study :

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/712497v1

For each departement there are nearly 30/35 samples

[J. Ketch]

I found these names working best, because Belgian-like genetics correlates very well with this (within modern France):

It correlates geographically but whether it correlates genetically is another question.

The average distances for me amongst other K13 averages:

Distance to: Creoda
2.31613903 West_Scottish
3.05762980 Irish
3.12019230 Scottish
3.17458659 Orcadian
3.71848087 North-Dutch
4.87370496 English
5.04546331 Southwest_English
5.25994297 Southeast_English
5.53094929 Norwegian
6.72308709 Welsh
7.24511560 Danish
7.54579353 FRA_Armorica
8.06740355 North_German
8.87363511 Swedish
9.76641695 German_West
11.79990254 South_Dutch
13.19798469 West_German
14.47349301 FRA_Belgica
16.29672667 FRA_Alsace
16.76869405 North-Swedish
17.32742624 Swiss_German
17.67723960 French
17.68604817 FRA_Central
19.01615103 Austrian
19.09527952 East_German
20.66949443 Swiss_French
21.08048624 German_east
22.69853079 AostaValley
23.40742617 FRA_Languedoc
24.54260377 Czech
24.56610386 Hungarian_Transdanubia
25.21412501 Spanish_Cataluna
25.35013203 Hungarian_Budapest
25.42609093 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
25.46961327 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
25.56910831 Southwest_Finnish
26.02128744 Southwest_French
26.27243892 Hungarian_Northern
26.35468082 Hungarian
26.47107667 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
26.68080583 Spanish_Cantabria
26.80436718 FRA_Aquitania
26.95253420 Croat_Croatia_Central
26.99864997 Spanish_Galicia
27.07492382 Sorb_Lusatia
27.08467130 Slovak
27.33158140 Slovenian
27.41627619 Portuguese
27.82086642 Hungarian_Alfold
28.08828403 Swiss-Italian

[Samnium]

Some Gedmatch that you can add and that match very well your map "made", I will edit the pos:


Loire-Atlantique


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.1
2 Atlantic 31.34
3 West_Med 12.2
4 Eastern_Euro 8.4
5 Baltic 8.21
6 West_Asian 5.95
7 South_Asian 0.52
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Oceanian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 4.14
2 Southeast_English 5.22
3 South_Dutch 6.61
4 Irish 6.62
5 West_Scottish 7.03
6 Orcadian 7.7
7 North_German 8.32
8 Danish 8.4
9 North_Dutch 8.44
10 French 9.49
11 West_German 10.09
12 Norwegian 11.95
13 West_Norwegian 12.55
14 Swedish 13.41
15 East_German 14.13
16 North_Swedish 15.61
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.71
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.75
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.04
20 Spanish_Cantabria 17.44


South of Ardèche departement



V2 K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 29.33
2 North_Sea 28.50
3 West_Med 19.51
4 East_Med 11.16
5 Baltic 4.63
6 Eastern_Euro 3.93
7 Red_Sea 1.73

Person from Britanny

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.32
2 Baltic 24.50
3 West_Med 18.10
4 West_Asian 5.53
5 East_Med 4.49

Person from SW France

Eurogenes K13:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.11
2 West_Med 27.87
3 Baltic 14.58
4 East_Med 12.40
5 West_Asian 1.58

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.054712
2 Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.798587
3 Spanish_Valencia @ 5.036444
4 Southwest_French @ 5.042833

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_French +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.955918

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Cataluna +25% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.955918

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Sardinian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.209730

Eurogenes V2 K15:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.50
2 West_Med 22.17
3 North_Sea 19.78
4 East_Med 11.15
5 Eastern_Euro 8.30
6 Baltic 5.62

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Valencia @ 6.321682
2 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.716142
3 Spanish_Murcia @ 7.076119
4 Spanish_Cantabria @ 7.294856
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.547887
6 Southwest_French @ 7.680730

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_French +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.886321

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.886321

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.768888

[Peterski]

Eurogenes K15 averages added. FRA_Alsace in K15 gets:



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Bavarian German K13 average:

Bavarian_German,40.61,22.71,16.63,7.54,9.86,0.78,0.31,0.23,0.24,0.59,0.47,0.03,0

Bavarian & Upper Swabian K15:

Bavarian_German,27.82,25.34,11.39,8.40,12.17,6.68,6.73,0.54,0.04,0.15,0.16,0.31,0.27,0.01,0
Upper_Swabian,27.62,25.85,12.98,7.40,10.85,6.15,7.44,0.49,0.54,0.12,0.07,0.27,0.19,0,0.03

[J. Ketch]

[Peterski]

Note that I excluded from Provence all northern-shifted individuals, what remained is very close to Piedmont.

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Edit:

Here is average of samples excluded from Provence (you can find individual results further in this discussion):

I called it Provence_North (perhaps it is a good representation of northern fringes of Provence), check it:

Average in K13:

Provence_North,40.80,17.43,21.41,5.27,10.37,1.96,0.39,0.52,0.17,0.22,0.47,0.43,0.57

Average in K15:

Provence_North,27.71,24.52,8.57,5.77,17.53,4.79,7.12,1.96,0.18,0.34,0.08,0.06,0.39,0.50,0.48

[dududud]

Why are you interested in that? You are a Polak. I don't understand.

It makes no sense to model yourself if you are not purely French! Besides, that's why I don't model myself with French people: no sense, i'm not purely French.

[dududud]

Ok, nice ! I also think that there are some Central regions that are more "North shifted" and some areas in Provence (particuliarly in the inland) that are more "Central" shifted. I will try to find more samples for these averages.

And I do agree the "Centre" genetical profile is very widespread and actually it's the "typical" french genetically, without any north or south shift.

Le français "typique", c'est le cluster français, cela n'a aucun sens de parler de "français typique" uniquement pour les gens du centre.

The "typical french" is the French cluster.

Tous les gens du cluster français sont des gens typiquement français, c'est tout.

[dududud]

Foreigners can't talk about France, to much ignorant about the Frog Aesthetic and the Frog Taxonomy, and the Frog Racial Master Race, and the Frog Universal Music, and the Frog Mind Spiritual University.

[Gründig]

K13

3.84512679 FRA_Alsace
5.69142337 FRA_Belgica
9.11175614 FRA_Armorica
9.60243719 FRA_Central
16.75250131 FRA_Languedoc
17.91880576 FRA_Provence
25.47061444 FRA_Aquitania

K15

4.79868732 FRA_Alsace
5.96046978 FRA_Belgica
8.71786098 FRA_Armorica
9.19034276 FR_Central
15.58472971 FRA_Languedoc
17.22804690 FRA_Provence
23.29872958 FRA_Aquitania