French Regional Averages by Tomenable

[dududud]

I think you've added more examples since I made the post. I was referring to this one

Target: Cousin
Distance: 681.6599% / 6.81659855
83.8 FRA_Armorica
9.6 FRA_Aquitania
6.6 FRA_Provence

Distance to: Cousin
7.50459193 FRA_Armorica
9.33137182 FRA_Belgica
11.24456758 FRA_Central
12.54231239 FRA_Alsace
16.13880727 FRA_Septimania
20.31147459 FRA_Provence
20.97291587 FRA_Aquitania

Yeah, it's my cousin from my branch Venderotte/Vanderotte, we share a recent Venderotte ancestor married to a Alsacian or Half alsacian Mamhauser/Mammoser female in the 18th century.

[Peterski]

100% Channel Islander from Guernsey (in K15 more British-shifted):

Guernsey1_K13,50.90,20.15,16.12,5.92,2.14,0.3,3.61,0,0,0.49,0,0,0.37
Guernsey1_K15,39.06,26.36,10.12,4.63,11.87,3.89,0,0.26,3.34,0,0,0.20,0,0,0.28

[Peterski]

Two GEDmatch kits with all recent ancestry from Aisne Department, one is closer to Central one to Belgica:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisne

Aisne1_K13,41.21,20.26,18.07,5.94,10.12,1.21,1.94,0.74,0.1,0.4,0,0,0
Aisne2_K13,43.79,21.49,15.28,4.85,12.45,0.4,0,0.43,0.63,0.08,0,0,0.58
Aisne1_K15,27.24,25.24,11.09,6.55,15.24,5.5,5.42,1.39,1.94,0.25,0,0.14,0,0,0
Aisne2_K15,25.86,28.91,11.57,9.43,11.05,3.99,7.6,0.81,0,0.14,0.21,0,0,0,0.42

They are both borderline, Aisne1 will be added to Central average, Aisne2 will be added to Belgica average.

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Academic sample from Picardy for comparison, from Laon area, it is "Central" (Picardy is not too northern):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laon

Laon1_K15,26.74,27.31,10.14,6.07,14.79,4.71,5.1,1.38,2.84,0.55,0.38,0,0,0,0
Laon1_K13,41.19,19.19,19.11,6.06,8.59,1.37,2.69,0.71,0.9,0,0,0,0.18

Laon is also the capital of Aisne Department so all 3 samples can be maded into one sub-regional average.

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Sub-regional average for Aisne Department (n=3):

Aisne_avg_K15,26.61,27.15,10.93,7.35,13.69,4.73,6.04,1.19,1.59,0.31,0.20,0.05,0,0,0.14
Aisne_avg_K13,42.06,20.31,17.49,5.62,10.39,0.99,1.54,0.63,0.54,0.16,0,0,0.25

[Peterski]

Haute-Auvergne, GEDmatch sample (will be added to "Central" probably):

Population
North_Sea 27.68 Pct
Atlantic 25.38 Pct
Baltic 7.60 Pct
Eastern_Euro 4.04 Pct
West_Med 18.17 Pct
West_Asian 1.97 Pct
East_Med 10.89 Pct
Red_Sea 3.05 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.59 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.35 Pct
Northeast_African 0.25 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 5.36
2 Spanish_Galicia 5.92
3 Portuguese 6.83
4 Spanish_Cataluna 6.96
(...)

[Peterski]

Another new kit from Haute-Auvergne, this one even closer to Central:

(and this one actually reveals more info in the GEDCOM pedigree chart)

K15:

North_Sea 28.83 Pct
Atlantic 27.48 Pct
Baltic 6.16 Pct
Eastern_Euro 4.68 Pct
West_Med 17.56 Pct
West_Asian 4.38 Pct
East_Med 8.75 Pct
Red_Sea 2.02 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.11 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 3.79
2 Spanish_Cataluna 7.19
3 Spanish_Galicia 7.46
4 Portuguese 8.06
5 South_Dutch 8.58
(...)

K13:

Population
North_Atlantic 43.57 Pct
Baltic 14.68 Pct
West_Med 22.03 Pct
West_Asian 4.99 Pct
East_Med 11.89 Pct
Red_Sea 1.98 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.53 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.15 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 3.96
2 Spanish_Cataluna 5.11
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.63
4 Portuguese 7.12
5 Spanish_Galicia 7.48
(...)

[Samnium]

Full Occitanie sample, I think people from this region can't be separated from Iberians, it's not possible...
V2 K15 :



1 Atlantic 27.34
2 West_Med 22.93
3 North_Sea 21.91
4 East_Med 6.28
5 Baltic 6.10
6 Eastern_Euro 5.79
7 Red_Sea 4.89
8 West_Asian 3.63



Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Galicia @ 4.989524
2 Portuguese @ 5.510855
3 Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.997901
4 Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.161181
5 Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.167144
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.474677
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 7.831156
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8.457952
9 Southwest_French @ 8.652208
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 9.297919
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.859322
12 Spanish_Andalucia @ 9.865154
13 French @ 10.350746
14 North_Italian @ 12.231632
15 South_Dutch @ 15.618889
16 West_German @ 18.902636
17 Southwest_English @ 19.356367
18 Tuscan @ 19.496401
19 French_Basque @ 20.115238
20 Serbian @ 20.741699

[Peterski]

Full Occitanie sample, I think people from this region can't be separated from Iberians, it's not possible.

I have a lot of Occitanie samples that cluster with Central France, actually.

The ones that cluster with Iberia are part of the FRA_Septimania average.

I think it is just like in Provence, you have some diversity.

[Samnium]

I have a lot of Occitanie samples that cluster with Central France, actually.

The ones that cluster with Iberia are part of the FRA_Septimania average.

I think it is just like in Provence, you have some diversity.

Yes definitely, I do agree.

[Peterski]

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 5.36
2 Spanish_Galicia 5.92
3 Portuguese 6.83
4 Spanish_Cataluna 6.96
(...)

^^^
This one has a parent born in Cantal Department - but surname Bessada, it is Portuguese surname, right?

Probably explains the southern shift compared to the other kit from Haute-Auvergne which is more Central.

The other kit has all grandparents with French surnames only.

[gixajo]

^^^
This one has a parent born in Cantal Department - but surname Bessada, it is Portuguese surname, right?

Probably explains the southern shift compared to the other kit from Haute-Auvergne which is more Central.

The other kit has all grandparents with French surnames only.

Galician or Portuguese, yes.