Post Atlantic scores from Eurogenes k15

[Chris596]

17.80 Atlantic



Full result:

North_Sea 15.50
Atlantic 17.80
Baltic 21.94
Eastern_Euro 9.92
West_Med 10.74
West_Asian 10.38
East_Med 11.13
Red_Sea 0.42
South_Asian 0.00
Southeast_Asian 1.33
Siberian 0.71
Amerindian 0.00
Oceanian 0.00
Northeast_African 0.00
Sub-Saharan 0.13

[Gaditanian]

Atlantic 34.74 Pct

[Korialstrasz]

North_Sea 4.31 Pct
Atlantic 16.04 Pct
Baltic 8.75 Pct
Eastern_Euro 9.12 Pct
West_Med 4.50 Pct
West_Asian 33.05 Pct
East_Med 17.34 Pct
Red_Sea 0.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.08 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 3.44 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.74 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[gixajo]

Must be difference between K13 North Atlantic and K15 Atlantic.

In K13 I get North Atlantic ... 38.89 which is closer to Central European but in K15 I get Atlantic 27.02 .
Not sure what to make of this.

Oszkar
Population
North_Sea 23.98 Pct
Atlantic 27.02 Pct
Baltic 16.79 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.34 Pct
West_Med 7.61 Pct
West_Asian 4.79 Pct
East_Med 3.54 Pct
Red_Sea 1.89 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.04 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan

Don´t know why exactly, I score North_Atlantic 41.06 Pct in k13.

In my k15 my 4 greatest components are:

Atlantic 32.08 Pct
West_Med 23.79 Pct
North_Sea 18.99 Pct
Baltic 8.49 Pct

Total..........83,35

That in k13 correspond basically to this 3 components:

North_Atlantic 41.06 Pct
West_Med 30.06 Pct
Baltic 11.68 Pct

Total.........82,8‬

[Luso]

Don´t know why exactly, I score North_Atlantic 41.06 Pct in k13.

In my k15 my 4 greatest components are:

Atlantic 32.08 Pct
West_Med 23.79 Pct
North_Sea 18.99 Pct
Baltic 8.49 Pct

Total..........83,35

That in k13 correspond basically to this 3 components:

North_Atlantic 41.06 Pct
West_Med 30.06 Pct
Baltic 11.68 Pct

Total.........82,8‬

Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing... What is the difference?

for K15 mine are:

Atlantic 29.70 Pct
North_Sea 20.90 Pct
West_Med 20.85 Pct
Baltic 6.02 Pct

Total= 77.47

For K13:

North_Atlantic 39.92 Pct
West_Med 24.77 Pct
Baltic 11.77 Pct

Total= 76.46

(with 15 pct east med)

[mitalit]

k15:

Atlantic 29.26 Pct
North_Sea 24.96 Pct
West_Med 16.68 Pct
Baltic 7.76 Pct

Total: 78,66

k13:

North_Atlantic 40.79 Pct
West_Med 23.00 Pct
Baltic 12.54 Pct

Total: 76,33

[gixajo]

Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing... What is the difference?



(with 15 pct east med)

I don´t know how it works exactly, but it seems that 15 populations are rearranged/reassigned in 13 components, but I don´t know in which exact way.

Anyway, saying that Iberians are not westerners seeing this it´s kind of ridiculous. We could , it´s true, make subdivisions as North-Western, Center-Western and Sout-Western , we are Western Europe,even if some don't like to admit it.

Even some Atlantic related component could be even go to West Africa component?

[Helen]

K15
Atlantic 31.42 Pct
West_Med 22.08 Pct
North_Sea 16.49 Pct
Baltic 5.49 Pct

75.48%

K13
North_Atlantic 37.16 Pct
West_Med 28.16 Pct
Baltic 9.88 Pct

75.20%

[Luso]

I don´t know how it works exactly, but it seems that 15 populations are rearranged/reassigned in 13 components, but I don´t know in which exact way.

Anyway, saying that Iberians are not westerners seeing this it´s kind of ridiculous. We could , it´s true, make subdivisions as North-Western, Center-Western and Sout-Western , we are Western Europe,even if some don't like to admit it.

Even some Atlantic related component could be even go to West Africa component?

Yeah... we are obviously westerners and genetics show it.

Also...

It is possible... not too sure. I do know that the Atlantic admixture appears to be a hybrid of Mesolithic hunter-gatherers and Neolithic farmers. All Mesolithic and Neolithic samples from Western Europe had about 25% of it.

Prehistoric samples Atlantic admixture:

Mesolithic La Braña (Asturias, Spain) 27.3%
Mesolithic Loscbour (Luxembourg) 29.5%
Neolithic farmer from Stuttgart (LBK culture) 23.2%
Ötzi the Iceman (Chalcolithic farmer from the Alps) 25.5%
Gökhem2 (Swedish Neolithic farmer) 27.7%
Motala12 (Mesolithic HG from Sweden) 10.1%

You can see the so-called Atlantic fusion peaks in the Basque and neighboring communities, accompanied by the Irish, Welsh and Scottish. But apart from that, it's really not centered on the Atlantic. The Galicians have less of this than the Danes and North Germans. High frequency in Sardinia, but much lower frequency in southern Italy and the Balkans, indicates a Mesolithic Western European ancestry.

Map:

[gixajo]

Yeah we are obviously westerners and genetics show it.

Also...

It is possible... not too sure. I do know that the Atlantic admixture appears to be a hybrid of Mesolithic hunter-gatherers and Neolithic farmers. All Mesolithic and Neolithic samples from Western Europe had about 25% of it.

Prehistoric samples Atlantic admixture:

Mesolithic La Braña (Asturias, Spain) 27.3%
Mesolithic Loscbour (Luxembourg) 29.5%
Neolithic farmer from Stuttgart (LBK culture) 23.2%
Ötzi the Iceman (Chalcolithic farmer from the Alps) 25.5%
Gökhem2 (Swedish Neolithic farmer) 27.7%
Motala12 (Mesolithic HG from Sweden) 10.1%

You can see the so-called Atlantic fusion peaks in the Basque and neighboring communities, accompanied by the Irish, Welsh and Scottish. But apart from that, it's really not centered on the Atlantic. The Galicians have less of this than the Danes and North Germans. High frequency in Sardinia, but much lower frequency in southern Italy and the Balkans, indicates a Mesolithic Western European ancestry.

Map:

The correlation is not perfect but trend, is quite obvious. There are always exceptions, but I think the trend indicates what I pointed. Maybe as I said, some Western African or North Western African components that Galicians seems to score specially high In iberian peninsula, could be considered as "Atalantic" components, even not being "Europeans".

Anyway, the trend works the same with haplogroups, as yo know.I would be one of those exceptions in this case.