NEW three papers with ancient Levant genomes

[Pine]

Well palestinians plot with ancient southern levantines which is logical meanwhile people who pretend to be more indigenous don't plot with them but only with northern shifted levantines (from the far north) and outliers.

This is because Western Jews are not pure Levantines, but you'll claim that we think we are a post later.

And how am I supposed to trust you if you're scared to share your coordinates ...that's weird.

I'm not going to share my coordinates with anti-semites. If you want to call me out on lying about my results, please do so and we'll get some intermediary to run my coordinates. Alternatively, don't you think I could've made up coordinates for this? It's not hard, I can just take a weighted average of myself and some Levantine per coordinate. That's <1 minute of work in excel.

You also tend to contradict yourself : half of your ancestry is european but you're supposed to plot with ancient southern levantines ? The same levantines that didn't have such high amount of European dna ...My point is simply that your people certainly do not have more legitimacy to claim this land and clearly didn't look like ancient hebrews. You're simply a buch of heterogeneous/mixed individuals who kept an old altered semitic tradition

I'm not supposed to plot with continually native southern levantines. It just happens that you came up with an arbitrary plotting criteria, which no one but you cares about and I just happen to still satisfy it because of Bronze Age arrivals to the Levant. Please tell me your "didn't look like" is not about muh phenotypes again. Stop boring me. I don't care. Go bug Anatolian and Pontic Greeks about this. Go bug Polish Germans about this. Go bug Balkan Turks about this. We're not the first admixed ethnicity to return to our homeland and probably won't be the last.

Also don't try to bring your "antisemite" excuse here I've nothing against jews or judaism I'm simply against this nasty zionist ideology.

Ok, Al-Fake Talmud quotes.

What's next ? canarians being berber because of their 20-30% berber ancestry ?

Have they maintained Berber identity instead of a Spanish one? Do they trigger you? They live in the same place anyhow.

When you find some smoking gun evidence for something relevant, let me know. Till then, I'm tired of going in circles with your strawmen.

[Halgurd]

What do you mean? Aren't the papers about West Asia?

Yes but the whole point of the papers is that they demonstrate some sort of heavy Central Asian migration into West Asia. This would surely impact the haplogroups.

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Yes but the whole point of the papers is that they demonstrate some sort of heavy Central Asian migration into West Asia. This would surely impact the haplogroups.

Ancient Central Asians from the BMAC had actually NorthWest Asian DNA and haplogroups because there were heavy West Asian migrations into Central Asia in the Copper and Bronze age.

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Those from the Northern Mesopotamia who migrated into the Northern Levant were most likely Hurrian people influenced by the Uruk Sumerians

[Aren]

Yes but the whole point of the papers is that they demonstrate some sort of heavy Central Asian migration into West Asia. This would surely impact the haplogroups.

That's far from being the point of the paper. It shows one female outlier from BMAC with some small Steppe ancestry. Later samples from the Levant don't need to be modelled with her. She's a dead end.

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That's far from being the point of the paper. It shows one female outlier from BMAC with some small Steppe ancestry. Later samples from the Levant don't need to be modelled with her. She's a dead end.

She had minor Western Siberian HG (WSHG) Steppe ancestry, just like other ancient Central Asians who came from the Western Iran/Kurdistan and mixed with the locals in Central Asia.

That lady had WSHG, so she was connected to BMAC.


BMAC was actually a Sumerian 'colony' in Central Asia.

[Halgurd]

That's far from being the point of the paper. It shows one female outlier from BMAC with some small Steppe ancestry. Later samples from the Levant don't need to be modelled with her. She's a dead end.

Just some excerpts from one of the papers:

“We found that significant genetic changes that were marked by an increase in Eurasian ancestry related to ancient Europeans and ancient Central Asians occurred after the Bronze Age and starting from the Iron Age II (Figure S7A).”

“ that two Hellenistic individuals (SFI-5 and SFI-12) and one early Roman individual (SFI- 11) had excess haplotype sharing with Central and South Asians (Figures 2E and S9), thus confirming the qpAdm re- sults. The relationship of ancient Lebanon with Central and South Asia also manifests in the presence of hap- logroup L1a1-M27 among the modern Lebanese Y chro- mosome lineages (Figure S10). Haplogroup L1a1-M27 is common today in Central and South Asia but rare else- where”

Haplogroup Q ancients have never been found before in the Middle East, this is a first. + the other two individuals had East Eurasian mtdna.

The central Asian woman in the first paper in OP is very significant as well. People don’t migrate on their own. It means central Asian migrations to West Asia were happening much earlier than previously thought.

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BMAC alabaster vessel in the Sumerian style, 3rd Millennium BC.



http://eclecticmuseum.com/intercultural-style.html

[dududud]

Interesting. How Sumerians can be modelized?

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Sumerians were White:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2843826