A question for Turkish members

[Zoro]

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[Lucas]

23&me for regional matches is using not academic references (which would be impossible for whole world with thousands regions), but their user database. So you match simply their users from those regions. Now wonder how they assign them. Well probably using their postal address.

[Kyp]

I'm mostly Kurd though.



# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranians (Behar) 6.31
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 8.01
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 8.61
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 10.6
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 10.68
6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 15.86
7 Turks (Behar) 18.62
8 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.84
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 21.16
10 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 21.57
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.97
12 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 22.11
13 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 22.28
14 Assyrian (Dodecad) 22.29
15 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 22.38
16 Lebanese (Behar) 22.69
17 Syrians (Behar) 23.69
18 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 23.8
19 Armenian (Dodecad) 24.67
20 Lezgins (Behar) 25.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.5% Iranians (Behar) + 12.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 2.75
2 87.8% Iranians (Behar) + 12.2% Uygur (HGDP) @ 2.79
3 92% Iranians (Behar) + 8% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 2.85
4 92.3% Iranians (Behar) + 7.7% Garo (Chaubey) @ 2.89

Very eastern shifted in general for a Kurd. Not only the East Eurasian input. Very atypical results.

Target: Zoro
Distance: 1.2352% / 1.23521623 | ADC: 0.25x
62.0 Iranians
17.2 Iranian_Fars
15.6 Turkmens
2.0 Lahu
1.2 Oroqen
1.0 Moroccans
0.6 Yakut
0.2 CHS30
0.2 Makrani

[Zoro]

Very eastern shifted in general for a Kurd. Not only the East Eurasian input. Very atypical results.

Target: Zoro
Distance: 1.2352% / 1.23521623 | ADC: 0.25x
62.0 Iranians
17.2 Iranian_Fars
15.6 Turkmens
2.0 Lahu
1.2 Oroqen
1.0 Moroccans
0.6 Yakut
0.2 CHS30
0.2 Makrani

Still have kurd 2nd highest after Iranian on oracle though

[Kyp]

Still have kurd 2nd highest after Iranian on oracle though

Yes but you are closer to Khorasan Persians and Eastern Persians than to Kurds.

A distance of 9-11 is quite high


Updated spreadsheet:

Distance to: Zoro
5.15148522 Iranian_Fars
6.55693526 Iranians
7.05606122 Iran_Central_East
7.51720693 Iran_Khorasan
8.10663309 Lur_Iran
8.73140309 Iranian
9.33495581 Kurd
9.52790638 Kurd_Sorani
10.01324123 Iran_Mazandaran
10.28091922 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.39584051 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.85730630 Turkmen_Iraq
10.89527420 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.01311491 Turkmens
11.58392852 Kurds
11.60466286 Azerbaijani
11.63135418 Kurd_KAZ
12.11945956 Zaza
12.65228833 Turkmen_Iran
12.77878711 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.16083204 Parsi_India
13.88757358 Turk_Southeast
14.55459034 Iran_Bandari
16.22160904 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.71936303 Turk_South

[Zoro]

Yes but you are closer to Khorasan Persians and Eastern Persians than to Kurds.

A distance of 9-11 is quite high


Updated spreadsheet:

Distance to: Zoro
5.15148522 Iranian_Fars
6.55693526 Iranians
7.05606122 Iran_Central_East
7.51720693 Iran_Khorasan
8.10663309 Lur_Iran
8.73140309 Iranian
9.33495581 Kurd
9.52790638 Kurd_Sorani
10.01324123 Iran_Mazandaran
10.28091922 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.39584051 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.85730630 Turkmen_Iraq
10.89527420 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.01311491 Turkmens
11.58392852 Kurds
11.60466286 Azerbaijani
11.63135418 Kurd_KAZ
12.11945956 Zaza
12.65228833 Turkmen_Iran
12.77878711 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.16083204 Parsi_India
13.88757358 Turk_Southeast
14.55459034 Iran_Bandari
16.22160904 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.71936303 Turk_South

Ok i get it but the k12 distance is 6 to Iranian and 8 to kurd. Usually the higher the k the higher the distance that’s why the G25/K25 distance is higher than k12 distance

[Bender1999]

Yes Ankara-Konya has the most kurdish villages in central anatolia, also my hometown Kirsehir(especially the boztepe district), Aksaray, Yozgat, Kirikkale and Cankiri has kurdish villages. They are sometimes mixed with the native turks so its possible that is the reason why you are showing east eurasian and cluster with turks. Those regions are mostly settled by turkmens, Ankara(many villages), Aksaray, Kirikkale, Kirsehir amd Yozgat are almost Turkmen ancestery, sometimes i don’t understand why those region show at average 10% east eurasian. The people there dint say you are a turk you are a kurd, they married with each other.

Also another controversial theme: the risvan tribe. This region has a lot of them, many historians claim they are just kurdified turkmen although i must admit the name sounds definitely Kurdish/Persian. Other say this was a confederation between turkmens and kurds, other say they are kurds who are highly influenced by turkmens. What i can say, you can see differences between kurds and turks there, but the risvan tribe has a lot similarities with turks. I think this is a tribe of mixed kurds/turkmens.

Hatay is mixed, mostly turks/alavi arabs. I have no information about the origin of the kayseri villages, this area has a lot of afshars that what i know but many are „less“ turkic influenced. Giresun is mostly of Cepni origin, just few villages are of Laz/Pontus greek origin.

[Zoro]

Yes Ankara-Konya has the most kurdish villages in central anatolia, also my hometown Kirsehir(especially the boztepe district), Aksaray, Yozgat, Kirikkale and Cankiri has kurdish villages. They are sometimes mixed with the native turks so its possible that is the reason why you are showing east eurasian and cluster with turks. Those regions are mostly settled by turkmens, Ankara(many villages), Aksaray, Kirikkale, Kirsehir amd Yozgat are almost Turkmen ancestery, sometimes i don’t understand why those region show at average 10% east eurasian. The people there dint say you are a turk you are a kurd, they married with each other.

Also another controversial theme: the risvan tribe. This region has a lot of them, many historians claim they are just kurdified turkmen although i must admit the name sounds definitely Kurdish/Persian. Other say this was a confederation between turkmens and kurds, other say they are kurds who are highly influenced by turkmens. What i can say, you can see differences between kurds and turks there, but the risvan tribe has a lot similarities with turks. I think this is a tribe of mixed kurds/turkmens.

Hatay is mixed, mostly turks/alavi arabs. I have no information about the origin of the kayseri villages, this area has a lot of afshars that what i know but many are „less“ turkic influenced. Giresun is mostly of Cepni origin, just few villages are of Laz/Pontus greek origin.

Thanks for the info. I’ve always wanted to learn more about turkey and this type of information it is very helpful