Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Aspirin]

Huimate

[vbnetkhio]

Moldovan from Chisinau with roots from all over the country and beyond.
1/4 Ungheni, 1/4 Edinet, 1/4 Taraclia, 1/4 Izmail (Budjak, Ukraine); all gp are Moldovan/Romanian.

This person has higher East Med than the regional averages, so part of the ancestry is confused as Jewish.
We have samples with this amount of East Med already though, both academic and collected by myself.

+-5 from the average is within the normal range for an ethnic group.

[Ion Basescul]

+-5 from the average is within the normal range for an ethnic group.

Yep

[Aspirin]

There is no strict transliteration rules in Russian-speaking countries, some may prefer Aleksandr and others would use the Western cognate Alexander if their name is Александр.

This is what I want to say, in Cyrilic these surnames will be the same both in Russian and Bulgarian, the difeerence will be in the Latin transliteration, Voynov/Voinov or Alexandrova/Aleksandrova. This guy just have very laughable arguments trying to prove what this individual have no Bulgarian origin, when half of his ancestry is from heavy Bulgarian populated region, which is seen in his surnames from this side. Plus his results are specific for a mixed person, I already posted here an individual with similar results and background.

[Leto]

Well, full Bulgarians are ca. 20 percent East Med on average.

By the way, how much EM does the person get on K15?

[Ion Basescul]

This is what I want to say, in Cyrilic these surnames will be the same both in Russian and Bulgarian, the difeerence will be in the Latin transliteration, Voynov/Voinov or Alexandrova/Aleksandrova. This guy just have very laughable arguments trying to prove what this individual have no Bulgarian origin, when half of his ancestry is from heavy Bulgarian populated region, which is seen in his surnames from this side. Plus his results are specific for a mixed person, I already posted here an individual with similar results and background.

Tell that to them and not to me. They are the ones who claim that their gp identify as Moldovans/Romanians. If they chose the Romance version when transliterating then to me personally it is quite believable that they were indeed Romance speakers, which most Bulgarians/Gagauz aren't natively. The fact that they also settled and died in Romania only adds credence to that, because a random Bulgarian from Izmail won't speak a shroud of Romanian in the early 20th century. But you choose to believe in your own version, because you can't accept being wrong. I don't need to convince you, as if that changes anything.

Well, full Bulgarians are ca. 20 percent East Med on average.

By the way, how much EM does the person get on K15?

18%

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	20.01
2	North_Sea	17.89
3	East_Med	17.6
4	Eastern_Euro	12.78
5	West_Med	12.04
6	Atlantic	8.18
7	West_Asian	6.85
8	South_Asian	2.05
9	Red_Sea	1.85
10	Amerindian	0.73
11	Southeast_Asian	0.03

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Romanian	9.55
2	Moldavian	10.19
3	Bulgarian	10.27
4	Serbian	10.28
5	Croatian	13.03
6	Hungarian	13.24
7	Greek_Thessaly	13.44
8	Greek	15.86
9	Austrian	16.1
10	Ukrainian_Lviv	16.11
11	Ukrainian	16.96
12	South_Polish	17.63
13	East_German	18.84
14	Ashkenazi	18.96
15	Ukrainian_Belgorod	19.72
16	Tuscan	19.99
17	Southwest_Russian	20.19
18	Central_Greek	20.19
19	Polish	20.25
20	Russian_Smolensk	20.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		70%	Ukrainian	+	30%	Lebanese_Christian	@	5.05
2		69.3%	Ukrainian	+	30.7%	Samaritan	@	5.05
3		66.2%	Ukrainian	+	33.8%	Cyprian	@	5.2
4		70%	Ukrainian	+	30%	Lebanese_Druze	@	5.25
5		64.8%	Ukrainian	+	35.2%	Libyan_Jewish	@	5.37
6		71.4%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	28.6%	Lebanese_Christian	@	5.54
7		70.7%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	29.3%	Samaritan	@	5.55
8		67.6%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	32.4%	Cyprian	@	5.57
9		71.3%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	28.7%	Lebanese_Druze	@	5.6
10		66.2%	Greek_Thessaly	+	33.8%	Lithuanian	@	5.63
11		66.2%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	33.8%	Libyan_Jewish	@	5.67
12		65.1%	Greek_Thessaly	+	34.9%	Erzya	@	5.77
13		56.8%	Greek_Thessaly	+	43.2%	Ukrainian	@	5.87
14		61.5%	Greek_Thessaly	+	38.5%	Southwest_Russian	@	5.94
15		65.7%	Greek_Thessaly	+	34.3%	Estonian	@	5.96
16		82%	Moldavian	+	18%	Lebanese_Druze	@	5.97
17		55.4%	Greek_Thessaly	+	44.6%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	6.07
18		61%	Greek_Thessaly	+	39%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	6.13
19		53.2%	Ukrainian	+	46.8%	Ashkenazi	@	6.17
20		81.8%	Moldavian	+	18.2%	Samaritan	@	6.2

[Aspirin]

Tell that to them and not to me. They are the ones who claim that their gp identify as Moldovans/Romanians. If they chose the Romance version when transliterating then to me personally it is quite believable that they were indeed Romance speakers, which most Bulgarians/Gagauz aren't natively. The fact that they also settled and died in Romania only adds credence to that, because a random Bulgarian from Izmail won't speak a shroud of Romanian in the early 20th century. But you choose to believe in your own version, because you can't accept being wrong. I don't need to convince you, as if that changes anything.

Did I say something about his ethnic identity? I don't have any problem if he identified himself as Moldavian or Romanian, he can be even Greek genetically. But don't try to fool me with such pathetic arguments, when he have such a screaming background. Most of my arguments allways make sence, because of my deep knowledge of local history. Similar discussion was regarding Daos results when you desperately trying do prove how southern his moldavian side was, when his father bassically have same results like him, with minor differences.

[Ion Basescul]

Did I say something about his ethnic identity? I don't have any problem if he identified himself as Moldavian or Romanian, he can be even Greek genetically. But don't try to fool me with such pathetic arguments, when he have such a screaming background. Most of my arguments allways make sence, because of my deep knowledge of local history. Similar discussion was regarding Daos results when you desperately trying do prove how southern his moldavian side was, when his father bassically have same results like him, with minor differences.

Anyone who's pathetically trying to convince anyone here is you, mate, for refusing to believe what people tell you about themselves.

I didn't try desperately, I made simple claims, which turned out to be true. Daos' dad, despite being half North Moldovan from Drochia and half Polish, scores like some of my full unadmixed North Moldovans (sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic). His Moldovan side must be Central or even South Moldovan-like.
Don't pretend to me that you understand what you are talking about.

Name

N_Atlantic

Baltic

West_Med

West_Asian

East_Med

Red_Sea

South_Asian

East_Asian

Siberian

Amerindian

Oceanian

NE_African

Sub-Saharan

Mihailova (born Gobjila), Balti (mom)

28.97

31.72

14.36

5.12

13.53

2.10

0.74

1.39

1.35

0

0.72

0

0

Stropsa, Rezina

28.97

34.84

12.39

7.67

12.05

0.73

0.44

0

1.37

0

0.51

0.71

0.34

Cosuleanu, Ocnita

25.71

33.18

17.93

8.07

10.11

2.87

0.67

0

1.40

0

0

0

0

Moldova_748_R02C02_Centre-North

28.04

32.24

15.49

6.59

13.52

1.22

0.08

0

2.23

0.42

0.17

0

0

Daos_dad, 1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Polish

22.11

39.39

12.60

7.73

8.94

2.67

3.34

0.58

0.76

1.18

0.69

0

0

Target: Daos_Dad_50Polish_50Drochia Distance: 4.6729% / 4.67291671 | ADC: 0.25x
57.2	Polish
34.2	Moldova_Centre
5.4	Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
3.2	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0	Crimean_Tatar
0.0	Moldova_North
0.0	Moldova_average
0.0	Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0	Romania_Moldavia_North
0.0	Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0	Romania_Muntenia
0.0	Romanian_Oltenia
0.0	Romania_Transylvania
0.0	Romanian_Wallachia
0.0	Romania_Dobruja
0.0	Romania_Maramures
0.0	Romania_Crisana
0.0	Romania_Banat
0.0	South_Polish

[Daos777]

Anyone who's pathetically trying to convince anyone here is you, mate, for refusing to believe what people tell you about themselves.

I didn't try desperately, I made simple claims, which turned out to be true. Daos' dad, despite being half North Moldovan from Drochia and half Polish, scores like some of my full unadmixed North Moldovans (sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic). His Moldovan side must be Central or even South Moldovan-like.
Don't pretend to me that you understand what you are talking about.

Name

N_Atlantic

Baltic

West_Med

West_Asian

East_Med

Red_Sea

South_Asian

East_Asian

Siberian

Amerindian

Oceanian

NE_African

Sub-Saharan

Mihailova (born Gobjila), Balti (mom)

28.97

31.72

14.36

5.12

13.53

2.10

0.74

1.39

1.35

0

0.72

0

0

Stropsa, Rezina

28.97

34.84

12.39

7.67

12.05

0.73

0.44

0

1.37

0

0.51

0.71

0.34

Cosuleanu, Ocnita

25.71

33.18

17.93

8.07

10.11

2.87

0.67

0

1.40

0

0

0

0

Moldova_748_R02C02_Centre-North

28.04

32.24

15.49

6.59

13.52

1.22

0.08

0

2.23

0.42

0.17

0

0

Daos_dad, 1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Polish

22.11

39.39

12.60

7.73

8.94

2.67

3.34

0.58

0.76

1.18

0.69

0

0

My Moldovan side is pure Vlacho-Illyrian. That’s why I’m E-V13 haha.

Are you going to create a plot for all these Moldovan samples? It would be interesting to see.


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[Ion Basescul]

My Moldovan side is pure Vlacho-Illyrian. That’s why I’m E-V13 haha.


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Your Moldovan side is beautiful. I don't see anything wrong about it being slightly Southern for Drochia and surrounds, compared to Aspirin.
It's Southern at the moment compared to the limited amount of samples that I have. But I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be typical.