Where did haplogroup E1b1b in Europeans come from?

[Arch Hades]

What explains E-V13's current distribution? It peaks in Albanians and is common in Northwestern Greeks. Maybe Pyrrhus of Epirus helped spread it in Southern Italy. It then became frequent in Italy and Roman armies and Byzantine civilization could explain the rest.

[Cristiano viejo]

who says it's linked with the muslim era ? It could be even older than that many berber soldiers settled in their region during ancient times but what should I expect from you ? You don't even know your own history.

Well, it is what I am saying, did not come during the Muslim era. You claimed some posts above it is recent. No it is not recent.

Your fantasies about Berber soldiers settling in cantabria, better leave it for your children when you count a tale sleeping them.

Pasiegos look nothing like Berbers, for start with.

[Daos777]

What explains E-V13's current distribution? It peaks in Albanians and is common in Northwestern Greeks. Maybe Pyrrhus of Epirus helped spread it in Southern Italy. It then became frequent in Italy and Roman armies and Byzantine civilization could explain the rest.

Byzantine explains how it’s found in Tajikistan and Siberia Lol?


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[Faklon]

Alphalla

[Arch Hades]

Byzantium explains how it’s found in Tajikistan? Lol


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I just meant the Byzantines would have helped spread it. Not that wherever it's found is soley due to them.

[Arch Hades]

Well, it is what I am saying, did not come during the Muslim era. You claimed some posts above it is recent. No it is not recent.

Your fantasies about Berber soldiers settling in cantabria, better leave it for your children when you count a tale sleeping them.

Pasiegos look nothing like Berbers, for start with.

What about Numidian kingdom? They were a major factor in the 2nd Punic war.

[Nassbean]

What about Numidian kingdom? They were a major factor in the 2nd Punic war.

you're asking too much for him. He doesn't even know the history of his own region lol

[Daos777]

That's a straw man. I just said the Byzantines would have helped spread it. Not that wherever it's found is soley due to them.

Strawman or not,

your entire premise is wrong. I don’t get why you think that it could only spread with extremely young civilizations like Greeks or Romans. E-V13 and especially it’s predecessor E-M78 is old as fuck. The most logical theory for its distribution is assimilation of this Haplo from neolithics in Europe by Indo-Europeans spreading it with them, that explains why it’s equally found in R1b and R1a dominant countries. And a founder effect in the Balkans making it more common there.

As for how it came into Europe. The Neolithic farmer theory doesn’t hold much water anymore due to an almost complete lack of E1b in Neolithic farmers. E-M78 or not. Which makes sense because Natufians were the only E people to have contact with AHG and ANF but they left no more than around 10 percent of their DNA which means the contact with Natufians was minimal.

Some people say it could have been Cardial ware culture, but their origin in the Levant in large part from Natufians they almost certainly had to have a good chunk of lineages that are downstream E-Z827 but that wasn’t found among them? So it sounds like bullshit to me.

So far the only logical conclusion to E-V13 ancestor in Europe is directly from North Africa from the Capsian culture in the Mesolithic. There have even been some archeological sites in Balkans where those Mesolithic people had close connections to North African Mesolithic culture.

But who the fuck knows for sure. We need more samples.


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[Cristiano viejo]

What about Numidian kingdom? They were a major factor in the 2nd Punic war.

I think yes, Pasiegos are Numidians







Seriously, stop searching hilarious stories to justify the North African agenda. It sucks.

[Nassbean]

I think yes, Pasiegos are Numidians





Seriously, stop searching hilarious stories to justify the North African agenda. It sucks.

what does phenotype has to do with this ? You can be black with a west european haplogroup...Their north african ancestors are from ancient times since then they had all the time to mix with local iberians that's what you can't understand