Where did haplogroup E1b1b in Europeans come from?

[Ion Basescul]

Yeah that E-V13 sample is just one of the many that Indo-Europeans assimilated from Cucuteni-Trypillian. I


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The only Trypillian E is Z830, which sits on a different branch.

https://yfull.com/tree/E-Z830/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/

[Daos777]

Daco-Getae sample? That would be my guess.

Too old for that. He was culturally not Dacian or Getae but Scythian like. His results make complete sense and are inline with similar Cimmerian results who also had very high Neolithic farmer input.


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[Ion Basescul]

Daco-Getae sample? That would be my guess.

Yep, I'd bet on that.

[Jana]

Too old for that. He was culturally not Dacian or Getae but Scythian like. His results make complete sense and are inline with similar Cimmerian results who also had very high Neolithic farmer input.

Too old? Paleo Balkanites appeared exactly in iron age. He could be culturally Scythian, but genetically obviously not.

[Ion Basescul]

Too old for that. He was culturally not Dacian or Getae but Scythian like. His results make complete sense and are inline with similar Cimmerian results who also had very high Neolithic farmer input.


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They are identical to scy300 and scy305 genetically, which are dated to 300BCE.

https://vol-vlad.livejournal.com/1430.html

[Daos777]

Too old? Paleo Balkanites appeared exactly in iron age. He could be culturally Scythian, but genetically obviously not.

So what? His mix would make him similar to Paleo-Balkanites not one of them let alone Getae or Dacian. Doesn't mean he or his ancestors directly participated in the ethnogensis of Dacians/Thracians/Getae. If we claim him for Dacian why not all those Cimmerian samples who are also high neolithic?

[Ion Basescul]

So what? His mix would make him similar to Paleo-Balkanites not one of them let alone Getae or Dacian. Doesn't mean he or his ancestors directly participated in the ethnogensis of Dacians/Thracians/Getae. If we claim him for Dacian why not all those Cimmerian samples who are also high neolithic?

If you can read Russian, the answer from a local Eastern Euro archeologist who specialises in local ancient pops is here: https://vol-vlad.livejournal.com/1430.html

[Halgurd]

Are yous not aware that E-V13 has been found in Iron Age Moldova?

Distance to:	scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
6.87866266	Albanian_north_Albania
7.29365478	Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.64342855	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
7.69003251	Albanian_Kosovo
7.71172484	Albanian_Albania
7.80235862	Albanian
7.81294439	Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.14415128	Albanian_central_Albania
8.32019831	Tuscany
8.68545336	Albanian_Macedonia
8.75502142	Romagna
8.80964490	Kosovo_Albanian
9.07295983	Albanian_south_Albania
9.07667340	Greek_Western-Thrace
9.21926244	Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.23403487	FrenchCorsica
9.39195933	Albanian_Montenegro
9.45345440	Emilia
9.46202410	Tuscan
9.54204381	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
9.55164384	Greek_Thessaly
9.60281729	Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.68273722	Lazio
9.99962999	Umbria
10.20947599	Marche

Yes i'm aware but there's 2 different scy197's not sure which one it was. cant be this one tho because e-v13 moldovan was older than 1650ybp

The Moldovan one is dated 4885-4632 ybp

[TheMaestro]

This is what I'm also interested in. Clear evidence would be the best. And yep, I checked many calculators and on all of them I score a bit of SSA, so it must be something more recent, not thousands of years old.

Nah, I have 0% ssa and in all calculators I have on of least components out of many users here, which is a very homogenous trait.

[Daos777]

If you can read Russian, the answer from a local Eastern Euro archeologist who specialises in local ancient pops is here: https://vol-vlad.livejournal.com/1430.html

Does it basically say the same thing as this paper but in Russian?

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457