G25 Balkan calculator attempt (based in ancient components)

[gixajo]

@Hulu has deleted all his posts in this thread.

Relax @Hulu.

It´s a pitty, I have finally found the patience to anwer him more directly, and being as "polite" as him.

As always I say to you to be forgiving with me, and as always, you will not pay any attention to me.

I took samples from different countries from modern averages pop datasheet and I run them in ancient averages, then I choose more usual references with less distances for every group of samples.

I am not any expert in Balkans (nor from any other European region), this calculator and the method I used to make the sources only pretend to be a first step to know more, I don´t pretend it to be a good calculator.

They are hidden, because there are people who instead of doing the calculators, just criticize the components that give them results that they do not like.

No calculator gives results that everyone likes, and if people avoid making calculators, because they will not like their results, there is no way of knowing how each component works when interacting with the other sources.

I add: if you don´t check them.

I do not care exactly who gives more Turkish or Levantine, I just want to see how the references work, but since here people use the results only to project the image of themselves that they want to project to others, it is difficult for everyone comply with the rules that the OP proposes.

Slavic:RUS_Sunghir_MA,0.129758,0.116786,0.070899,0.060078,0.041238,0.018965,0.009165,0.011307,0.001432,-0.017859,0.000487,-0.008093,0.014271,0.023809,-0.014658,-0.005834,0.00013,-0.002154,0.000628,-0.001251,-0.007986,-0.005812,0.012695,-0.010724,-0.005868
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad,0.133742,0.12948,0.073727,0.057494,0.0373915,0.029144,0.0094,0.007269,0.004295,-0.018224,-0.001543,-0.006369,0.0102575,0.017753,-0.0138435,0.0007295,0.0002605,0.0034205,0.0055305,0.001313,0,-0.002782,0.010846,-0.0069285,0.001736
Balkanic:Scythian_HUN,0.1238396,0.1409554,0.0564928,0.0200906,0.0395148,0.0080878,0.001128,0.0070612,0.0097354,0.01108,-0.000195,-6e-05,0.0003566,0.001101,-0.007899,0.0036592,0.0052936,0.0019004,0.0029916,-0.0010502,-0.0036936,0.0001238,0.0003204,-0.0064104,-0.0055082
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019,0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Turkic:TUR_IA,0.08992,0.060932,-0.009428,-0.032946,-0.022158,-0.013945,0.003055,0.006,-0.020861,-0.004009,-0.003573,0.000749,0.012636,0.002615,-0.001357,-0.001724,0.006519,0.006208,0.004148,-0.002001,-0.004617,0.001978,-0.002835,0.00012,-0.002036
Turkic:TUR_Ottoman,0.079107,-0.0741335,0.01829,-0.0075905,-0.043085,-0.0133865,0.0029375,0.000808,-0.010124,-0.012119,-0.00885,-0.0063695,-0.0057235,-0.0088075,0.0052255,0,0.007758,0.000887,-0.0018855,-0.000375,-0.0089845,-0.0004325,-0.0096135,-0.001747,0.0003595
Italic:ITA_Proto-Villanovan,0.125205,0.138112,0.030547,-0.010982,0.023081,-0.011713,0.002115,-0.001846,0.006954,0.021139,0.008119,0.005845,-0.011596,-0.000826,-0.007465,-0.01432,-0.011604,0.005194,0.002765,-0.00988,-0.009733,0.001607,-0.002465,0.003976,-0.005508
Levantine:Levant_JOR_EBA,0.0758823,0.147929,-0.0599623,-0.11402,-0.0056417,-0.0476903,-0.0108887,-0.013307,0.0336783,0.0075323,0.0157517,-0.0196823,0.041526,-0.0008717,-0.0031217,0.0228937,0.0018253,0.0010137,-0.0030583,0.0170917,0.0050743,0.011706,-0.0038617,0.0042577,-0.0071053

[gixajo]

I deleted because they took away attention from your thread. And there was no point arguing anymore, just different cultures I guess. I will delete this as well

Is not a matter of different cultures.

[RyoHazuki]

Distance: 2.8458% / 0.02845777
85.4 Germanic
14.6 Italic

[RyoHazuki]

I recommend maybe a Baltic population?

[gixajo]

I recommend maybe a Baltic population?

Of course, and if @Hulu wants to offer me a different alternative for my awful Balkanic sample, I am always open to new suggestions, but if possible, a new one, and from ancient population datasheet.

Which reference do you think would be good from ancient populations datasheet and that is not usually used representing Baltic?

[RyoHazuki]

Of course, and if @Hulu wants to offer me a different alternative for my awful Balkanic sample, I am always open to new suggestions, but if possible, a new one, and from ancient population datasheet.

Which reference do you think would be good from ancient populations datasheet and that is not usually used representing Baltic?

I'm not sure, is Iron Age Baltic usually used?

[gixajo]

I'm not sure, is Iron Age Baltic usually used?

I don´t know, I did not choose the references by the name they have, if not because of their proximity to modern populations, I suppose that's why Hulu was laughing so much at my Balkan from Hungarian Scythians.

This one?

Baltic:EST_IA,0.12881,0.1064613,0.093903,0.0930778,0.0434952,0.0322583,0.0097137,0.0131533,0.0019773,-0.036356,0.0054128,-0.0121143,0.0222,0.0148862,-0.0057682,0.0081983,0.010474,-0.0006547,0.003289,0.011193,0.0060727,-0.00237,0.0028553,-0.0118087,-0.0021555

[Hulu]

I don´t know, I did not choose the references by the name they have, if not because of their proximity to modern populations, I suppose that's why Hulu was laughing so much at my Balkan from Hungarian Scythians.

This one?

Baltic:EST_IA,0.12881,0.1064613,0.093903,0.0930778,0.0434952,0.0322583,0.0097137,0.0131533,0.0019773,-0.036356,0.0054128,-0.0121143,0.0222,0.0148862,-0.0057682,0.0081983,0.010474,-0.0006547,0.003289,0.011193,0.0060727,-0.00237,0.0028553,-0.0118087,-0.0021555

lol. Given that Albanians lack Scythian, how can that be the ancient component for Balkan? That clearly came with Slavs who settled there after the 6th century.

p.s. I'd gladly suggest something but I am not familiar with the ancient samples and what else can you pick.

[gixajo]

For example, to choose a baltic sample I do this:

Run some modern nations from the area in ancient populations and see closest samples:

Distance to: Lithuanian_VA
0.02235777 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro
0.03208173 Baltic_EST_MA
0.03264681 HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.03284131 RUS_Sunghir_MA
0.03776399 Baltic_EST_IA

Distance to: Latvian
0.02702540 Baltic_EST_MA
0.02886930 Baltic_LTU_BA
0.02967001 RUS_Ingria_IA
0.03216440 Baltic_EST_IA
0.03235596 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro

Distance to: Estonian
0.02706677 Baltic_EST_MA
0.02843465 Baltic_EST_IA
0.03591167 RUS_Ingria_IA
0.03628348 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro
0.03764248 Baltic_LTU_BA

Distance to: Lithuanian_RA
0.02336749 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro
0.03172422 Baltic_EST_MA
0.03601888 RUS_Ingria_IA
0.03749295 RUS_Sunghir_MA
0.03796118 Baltic_EST_IA

And then choose.

In this case I would choose Baltic_EST_MA.

Baltic_EST_MA,0.129379,0.118817,0.0886237,0.0915167,0.046778,0.0363487,0.013474,0.0148457,0.0040223,-0.0346857,-0.0089853,-0.0133377,0.0173437,0.02624,-0.003031,0.0135683,0.0149073,-0.0040963,0.0007963,-8.33e-05,0.0007073,0.001319,0.00493,0.0008433,-0.0006783

I am only trying to find for new paths, it seems that there are people who are bothered by it or can´t understand it and guess I am an idiot or an ignorant, and surely I am, even both things.

I am an stupid ignorant who try to innovate in what little he can.

[RyoHazuki]

I don´t know, I did not choose the references by the name they have, if not because of their proximity to modern populations, I suppose that's why Hulu was laughing so much at my Balkan from Hungarian Scythians.

This one?

Baltic:EST_IA,0.12881,0.1064613,0.093903,0.0930778,0.0434952,0.0322583,0.0097137,0.0131533,0.0019773,-0.036356,0.0054128,-0.0121143,0.0222,0.0148862,-0.0057682,0.0081983,0.010474,-0.0006547,0.003289,0.011193,0.0060727,-0.00237,0.0028553,-0.0118087,-0.0021555

Yeah I'd try it