How to group Italian samples in order to obtain good references?

**gixajo** · 07-08-2020, 11:56 PM

Curioso de todas formas, tampoco funciona mal , lo marca como noreste incluso formando parte de la media del noroeste.

**gixajo** · 07-09-2020, 12:05 AM

Tomorrow more, I go to the bed.

**gixajo** · 07-09-2020, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Rocinante

El valle de Aosta no es porque sea aleman, es porque es extremadamente frances. Su genetica no se diferencia en nada a los suizos franceses y por eso estan muy northwestern shifted, por eso yo tu no lo hubiese metido en el average.

I will do tomorrow a new NorthWest sample with Lombardia+Bergamo+Liguria+Piedmont as you suggested.

But Lombardia and Bergamo...mmm

Bye

**Deusex99** · 07-09-2020, 06:43 AM

My proposed division.

Sardinia: Sardinia.
Sicily: Sicily East+Sicily West.
South Italy: Molise+Abruzzo+Apulia.
Center Italy: Tuscany+Umbria.
North Italy: Italian NorthEast+Italian Veneto.
Alps: Swiss Italian+Italian Trentino Alto Adige.

**Vid Flumina** · 07-09-2020, 07:50 AM

You are wasting your time with NW/NE hair splitting, main difference is between EEF-rich central plain (chiefly Lombardy) vs Steppe-rich outer plain (Western Piedmont/Eastern Veneto-Friuli) :

https://ilsizzi.wordpress.com/2019/0...eurogenes-k13/

**Defcon2** · 07-09-2020, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by gixajo

Es que yo no dije eso, yo no dije coger samples random, yo dije modelar con todas las referencias de francia e italia, y añadir dos samples sueltos que nos rasquen un poco mas de distancia.

**gixajo** · 07-09-2020, 11:55 AM

I did an alternative NorthWest Italian sample:

NorthWest_Italian,=Italian_Bergamo,+Italian_Lombar dy,+Italian_Liguria,+Italian_Piedmont,

Code:

NorthWest_Italian_B,0.12088005,0.14803870,0.02668133,-0.01301690,0.03185970,-0.00463645,0.00173313,0.00075578,0.00955653,0.02676138,-0.00346693,0.00623440,-0.01254318,-0.00359883,-0.00175085,-0.00680175,-0.00355968,0.00073808,0.00363588,-0.00318288,-0.00152863,0.00101390,-0.00082878,0.00284960,0.00022458

**gixajo** · 07-09-2020, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

You are wasting your time with NW/NE hair splitting, main difference is between EEF-rich central plain (chiefly Lombardy) vs Steppe-rich outer plain (Western Piedmont/Eastern Veneto-Friuli) :

https://ilsizzi.wordpress.com/2019/0...eurogenes-k13/

I don´t care about wasting my time, don´t worry, those samples are not useless, I could mix both averages in an only North_Italian sample.

**gixajo** · 07-09-2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Manipulador!!!

Pues nosotros, con solo samples franceses e italianos, uno norteafricano y uno irlandés, nos podemos modelar igualmente sin usar ni uno solo español igualmente.

**gixajo** · 07-09-2020, 01:06 PM

SouthernMailand_Italian sample (without Sicilian_Average):

Southern_Mainland_Italian,=Italian_Basilicata,+Ita lian_Campania,+Italian_Apulia,+Italian_Calabria (Yes, I used Calabria)

Code:

SouthernMainland_Italian,0.10765055,0.14730115,-0.00740228,-0.04272373,0.01384175,-0.01458015,-0.00069750,-0.00217618,0.00395688,0.02090800,0.00024765,0.00301008,-0.00603383,-0.00056470,-0.00836273,-0.00287953,0.00428768,0.00024715,0.00346385,-0.00433768,-0.00310053,0.00091510,0.00123820,0.00246810,0.00004713