Universe Myheritage result

**~~Dunai~~** · 07-16-2020, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Universe

Some people in Dunai's study score low north atlantic and high baltic like I do. There's one guy who scored over 40% baltic and Dunai said he only included people who are at least 6/8 magyar by ancestry.

But yea, I'm clearly not avarage.

You surely are very Slavic-shifted Hungarian, especially for someone from the Southern parts of the Alföld, but as you stated, you are also partially Slovak (how much in percentage based on all your great-grandparents?). You are more similar to Northern Hungarians who are pretty strongly Slavic shifted even without any known recent Slavic ancestors. Your German is quite standard in Hungarians, what you lack though is remnants from Old Hungarians, since you get very low Asiatic results, if any.

**Benyzero** · 07-16-2020, 03:37 PM

slav boi

**Scandal** · 07-17-2020, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dunai

You surely are very Slavic-shifted Hungarian, especially for someone from the Southern parts of the Alföld, but as you stated, you are also partially Slovak (how much in percentage based on all your great-grandparents?). You are more similar to Northern Hungarians who are pretty strongly Slavic shifted even without any known recent Slavic ancestors. Your German is quite standard in Hungarians, what you lack though is remnants from Old Hungarians, since you get very low Asiatic results, if any.

I'm glad someone's asking this so I can say what I think about the whole thing.
The following text will be partially addressed to you, partially to others who are curious about my origins and identity.

I didn't want to say what % slovak I am by ancestry because I don't know exactly, but since you're asking this, I will say 50%.

Let me explain what I meant by "I don't know exactly":

My mother has dual identity (but I think her hungarian identity is stronger than slovak), my father has hungarian identity. Paternal grandparents identify as hungarian, my maternal grandparents I don't know, because they died like 15 years ago and I never discussed this with them, but I think they had dual identity like my mother.

My paternal grandma says my father's ancestry is 100% hungarian but for me it's hard to believe knowing how multiethnic Hungary was in the past. My maternal ancestry is said to be purely slovak but it's hard to believe as well (at least to me), since my slovak ancestors came from North Hungary in early 1700s to middle of Hungary and were surrounded by magyars ever since. They were from Nógrád, Hont and Nyitra vármegye's which ethically weren't homogeneous places, no one really knows if they mixed with other ethnicities or not while they were still in Northern Hungary. I can't be sure because I never really researched my family tree.

Yes, I am quite slavic genetically for a hungarian, but still within the range of what's possible for an ethnic hungarian person.
In your study you only included people who have 6/8 or more magyar great-grandparents and there's this "NoHun1" guy that is as slavic as me. No, he's actually more slavic than I am.
His result:

Target: NoHun1_from_dunai_study
Distance: 1.5491% / 1.54914737 | ADC: 0.25x
52.6 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
27.4 Sorb_Lusatia
9.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
8.8 South_Polish
1.8 Croat_Croatia_Istria&Kvarner
0.4 Pomak_Xanthi

Distance to: NoHun1_from_dunai_study
4.33023094 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
4.71117820 South_Polish
4.76540057 Slovak
5.44649429 Ukrainian_Lviv
5.55928053 Ukrainian
5.86828830 Hungarian_Northern
6.07023888 Sorb_Lusatia
6.78328092 Czech
7.07533745 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
7.42705191 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
7.69138479 Croat_Croatia_Central
7.78091982 Slovenian
7.99584056 Hungarian_Alfold

He can be modeled as 30% me + rest ukrainian/polish(very low distance):

Target: NoHun1_from_dunai_study
Distance: 1.0549% / 1.05488617 | ADC: 0.25x
40.6 South_Polish
32.6 Universe(hungarian)
20.2 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
3.4 Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.6 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
1.6 Bulgarian_Ruse

Yes, it's not easy to find ethnic hungarians with dna like mine, but not impossible. With all due respect, if your study was based 100.000 people instead of 100, I'm sure there would be lots of people who would turn out to be genetically slavic shifted like I am. That would be impossible to do though, because such amount of people didn't do dna test yet. Also, your study is great even now.

Even though my genetics resemble that of northeastern Hungarians more, I'm sure in southern alföld it'd possible to find people who score like me because some parts of Alföld were settled by slovaks, I'm not the only one with Slovak ancestry here.

So I don't consider myself non-hungarian genetically because ethnic hungarians like me exist, I'd be genetically foreign to Hungary if I scored like an Englishman or an Albanian.

At the end of the day I'm just a hungarian/magyar guy.

This doesn't mean I am ashamed of my slovak origin, I acknowledge some of my ancestry is slovak, but I simply don't feel like I have much in common with Slovakia and Slovak ethnicity. I'm not familiar with slovak language or culture. My identity is totally hungarian. I can't help it, it's just how I am.

**Scandal** · 07-17-2020, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Benyzero

slav boi

That may be the case genetically, but many-many other hungarians could be considered slavs too, if we go by genetics.

In real life I'm not a slav though, just hungarian. If we travelled to Slovakia or Ukraine, I would be considered as foreign as you, I don't know their language at all. My mother can speak some slovak, when she visits Slovakia, Slovaks think she's an ethnic hungarian from Slovakia, because she speaks Slovak like how hungarian minority in Slovakia speaks it.

**Chris596** · 07-17-2020, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Universe

I'm glad someone's asking this so I can say what I think about the whole thing.
The following text will be partially addressed to you, partially to others who are curious about my origins and identity.

I didn't what to say what % slovak I am by ancestry because I don't know exactly, but since you're asking this, I will say 50%.

Let me explain what I meant by "I don't know exactly":

My mother has dual identity (but I think her hungarian identity is stronger than slovak), my father has hungarian identity. Paternal grandparents identify as hungarian, my maternal grandparents I don't know, because they died like 15 years ago and I never discussed this with them, but I think they had dual identity like my mother.

My paternal grandma says my father's ancestry is 100% hungarian but for me it's hard to believe knowing how multiethnic Hungary was in the past. My maternal ancestry is said to be purely slovak but it's hard to believe as well (at least to me), since my slovak ancestors came from early 1700s to middle of Hungary and were surrounded by magyars ever since. They were from Nógrád, Hont and Nyitra vármegye's which were ethically weren't homogeneous places, no one really knows if they mixed with other ethnicities or not while they were still in Northern Hungary. I can't be sure because I never really researched my family tree.

Yes, I am quite slavic genetically for a hungarian, but still within the range of what's possible for an ethnic hungarian person.
In your study you only included people who have 6/8 or more magyar great-grandparents and there's this "NoHun1" guy that is as slavic as me. No, he's actually more slavic than I am.
His result:

Yes, it's not easy to find ethnic hungarians with dna like mine, but not impossible. With all due respect, if your study was based 100.000 people instead of 100, I'm sure there would be lots of people who would turn out to be genetically slavic shifted like I am. That would impossible to do though, because such amount of people didn't do dna test yet. Also, your study is great even now.

Even though my genetics resemble that of northeastern Hungarians more, I'm sure in southern alföld it'd possible to find people who score like me because some parts of Alföld were settled by slovaks, I'm not the only one with Slovak ancestry here.

So I don't consider myself non-hungarian genetically because ethnic hungarians like me exist, I'd be genetically foreign to Hungary if I scored like an Englishman or an Albanian.
At the end of the day I'm just a hungarian magyar guy.

Thanks for sharing this with us! I know a girl from Békéscsaba who has dual identity as well (it's the same, Slovak-Hungarian), but she has a bit of Romani ancestry too. I agree with you, it's still easier to find Hungarians who are very East Slavic like you or very South Slavic or even South European at this point, like myself.

On the other hand you also have a respectful amount of Balkan ancestry too and I also have around 10-25% East Slavic ancestry (at this point I don't know exactly because every calculator says something different).

Maybe I'm a bit more on the extreme side but you are exceptional as well. I wouldn't say that I'm genetically too foreign for Hungary (not counting the West and East Asian ancestry), maybe some members would disagree with me. It's okay if you disagree with me.

**Scandal** · 07-17-2020, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Universe

That may be the case genetically, but many-many other hungarians could be considered slavs too, if we go by genetics.

I won't claim to be an expert on genetics but even Transdanubia seems more Slav and maybe more Balkan then Germanic to me. Balkan and German admixture of Transdanubia seems more or less equal.

Modeling hungarian regions with non-hungarian populations.

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Hungary(all regions) avarage

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Hungarian_alfold avarage

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Hungarian_Budapest

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Hungarian_csango

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Hungarian_Northern

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Hungarian_Szekely

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Hungarian_Transdanubia

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Hungarian_Transylvania

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Modeling hungarian regions as a mix of native balkanites, germanics and slavs, using Andre's method

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**Scandal** · 07-17-2020, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Chris596

Thanks for sharing this with us! I know a girl from Békéscsaba who has dual identity as well (it's the same, Slovak-Hungarian), but she has a bit of Romani ancestry too. I agree with you, it's still easier to find Hungarians who are very East Slavic like you or very South Slavic or even South European at this point, like myself.

On the other hand you also have a respectful amount of Balkan ancestry too and I also have around 10-25% East Slavic ancestry (at this point I don't know exactly because every calculator says something different).

Maybe I'm a bit more on the extreme side but you are exceptional as well. I wouldn't say that I'm genetically too foreign for Hungary (not counting the West and East Asian ancestry), maybe some members would disagree with me. It's okay if you disagree with me.

Target: Chris(hungarian)
Distance: 3.4375% / 3.43749771
53.4 Slavic
45.4 South_PaleoBalk
1.2 Altaic

I replaced north-paleobalkan with south-paleobalkan because with south you get lower distance.

**~~Dunai~~** · 07-17-2020, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Chris596

Thanks for sharing this with us! I know a girl from Békéscsaba who has dual identity as well (it's the same, Slovak-Hungarian), but she has a bit of Romani ancestry too. I agree with you, it's still easier to find Hungarians who are very East Slavic like you or very South Slavic or even South European at this point, like myself.

On the other hand you also have a respectful amount of Balkan ancestry too and I also have around 10-25% East Slavic ancestry (at this point I don't know exactly because every calculator says something different).

Maybe I'm a bit more on the extreme side but you are exceptional as well. I wouldn't say that I'm genetically too foreign for Hungary (not counting the West and East Asian ancestry), maybe some members would disagree with me. It's okay if you disagree with me.

No doubt, I can very easily understand how you relate to your identity after this explanation. Identity is basically a cultural inheritance, and no matter what our family tree or genes show about us, we still are the culture in which we were raised in. Now that you say you are possibly one half Slovak, your very high Baltic starts to make plenty of sense. I would also wish for much more Hungarian sample size, but curiously, my average, which is based on over 200 people is almost the same with the previous one, which was based on way-way lesser people. So I'm feeling even if we increase the sample size to 10 or 50000, the Hungarian average will still resemble to the current one. In regional cases there might be some fluctuation because right now most are only based on a few dozens of people, but I also don't believe too great of a difference will appear.

**Scandal** · 07-30-2020, 02:38 PM

I was playing with DNA Genic's Admixture studio a little.

dnagenics.com

Dodecad K12b

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Eurogenes k13

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Eurogenes k15

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Harappaworld

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Russia 8

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Eurogenes k10

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**17571imre** · 07-30-2020, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Universe

I was playing with DNA Genic's Admixture studio a little.

dnagenics.com

Dodecad K12b

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Eurogenes k13

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Eurogenes k15

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Harappaworld

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Russia 8

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Eurogenes k10

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even though your very slavic shifted. you still score around the Hungarian average on these calculators. very intresting. for me K10 K15 and K13 are the most accurate.