Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

**Leto** · 08-04-2020, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Aren

There's a clear difference between the muslim town dwellers and the peasents in the surroundings when it comes to the larger cities of Northern Iraq.

As an example, muslims both Turkmen and Kurds from Erbil city proper.

Spoiler!

And muslims from Kirkuk

Spoiler!

Compare with a Kurd from a small village between Kirkuk and Erbil

North_Atlantic 1.64 Pct
Baltic 3.29 Pct
West_Med 4.76 Pct
West_Asian 40.67 Pct
East_Med 31.70 Pct
Red_Sea 5.97 Pct
South_Asian 8.28 Pct
East_Asian 1.32 Pct
Siberian 0.70 Pct
Amerindian 0.70 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.97 Pct

It's obvious the elevated Red Sea and the minor SSA in these townspeople comes from mixing with Arabs of the area. Which didn't happen in the villages.

I have to remind you that this thread is about Dodecad K12b, please use it here or go post elsewhere.

**Halgurd** · 08-04-2020, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Aren

Yes the region around Erbil, not Erbil city itself which I was very clear with. Your source doesn't show Erbil city which was relatively small in the early 1900s.

Erbil old city is shown in the first row where Kurds had a 65%-74% majority.

**Halgurd** · 08-04-2020, 07:18 AM

Judging from his name this must be a Yarsan Kurd

Population
Gedrosia 25.86 Pct
Siberian 2.19 Pct
Northwest_African 1.70 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.82 Pct
North_European 7.38 Pct
South_Asian 4.27 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.74 Pct
East_Asian 0.37 Pct
Caucasus 39.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

to: T418664
3.19031346 Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.73606745 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.50483074 Kurd_Sorani
4.66213470 Iranian
4.72389670 Zaza
5.03138152 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.05224702 Lur_Iran
5.52138570 Kurd_KAZ
5.62063164 Kurd
6.21220573 Kurds
6.47472779 Iranian_Fars
6.87618353 Azerbaijani
6.87800843 Turkmen_Iraq
7.14625077 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.79163012 Iranians
8.27879822 Iran_Central_East
8.38475402 Iran_Mazandaran
9.61410422 Turk_Southeast
10.35888508 Iran_Khorasan
10.57872866 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.89658662 Turk_East
10.99780433 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.43649870 Turk_Central_East
13.17515844 Turk_South
14.02246769 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

**Halgurd** · 08-04-2020, 07:37 AM

Yarsan Kurd from Kirkuk

Population
Gedrosia 23.78 Pct
Siberian 0.51 Pct
Northwest_African 1.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.25 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.61 Pct
North_European 7.03 Pct
South_Asian 4.45 Pct
East_African 0.87 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.81 Pct
East_Asian 0.60 Pct
Caucasus 38.63 Pct
Sub_Saharan

Distance to: T850233
1.71671197 Kurd_Sorani
2.83802748 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.16014423 Turkmen_Iraq
4.51608237 Zaza
5.01342199 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.12996101 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.31806356 Lur_Iran
6.11216001 Iranian_Fars
6.34793667 Azerbaijani
6.71083452 Iranian
6.74994074 Kurd_KAZ
6.75420610 Kurd
7.12273122 Kurds
7.20297855 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.16671905 Iranians
8.21065162 Turk_Southeast
8.67722882 Iran_Central_East
9.46294352 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.40156238 Iran_Mazandaran
10.66300145 Turk_East
11.08238693 Iran_Khorasan
11.67418091 Turk_Central_East
12.61252552 Turk_South
12.88631445 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.69517433 Turk_Central_West

Target: T850233
Distance: 1.5897% / 1.58974045 | ADC: 1x
91.6 Kurd_Sorani
8.4 Kurd_Kurmanji

Target: T850233
Distance: 0.9554% / 0.95535327 | ADC: 0.5x
78.4 Kurd_Sorani
15.8 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.6 Azerbaijani_Iran
2.2 Balkan_Gypsy

Target: T850233
Distance: 0.5810% / 0.58100030 | ADC: 0.25x
74.0 Kurd_Sorani
15.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.2 Balkan_Gypsy
2.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.6 Azerbaijani_Iran
0.2 Pulliyar

**Halgurd** · 08-04-2020, 07:43 AM

Another Yarsan Kurd from Kirkuk.

Population
Gedrosia 24.00 Pct
Siberian 1.12 Pct
Northwest_African 1.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.56 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.72 Pct
North_European 6.77 Pct
South_Asian 3.24 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.27 Pct
East_Asian 1.86 Pct
Caucasus 38.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: TJ8534449
2.22827287 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.43735363 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.70374135 Kurd_Sorani
4.04306814 Zaza
4.43010158 Turkmen_Iraq
4.79248370 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.97048287 Azerbaijani
5.67183392 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.76551819 Lur_Iran
6.45655481 Kurd
6.60205271 Iranian
6.79320985 Kurd_KAZ
6.87993459 Iranian_Fars
7.09669641 Kurds
7.25349571 Turk_Southeast
8.46835875 Iranians
9.36613581 Iran_Central_East
9.93173701 Turk_East
10.15948325 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.43575105 Turk_Central_East
10.62569998 Iran_Khorasan
10.82950137 Iran_Mazandaran
11.32823022 Turk_South
12.23778983 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.33991086 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: TJ8534449
Distance: 1.9820% / 1.98195360 | ADC: 1x
87.0 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.0 Azerbaijani_Iran

Target: TJ8534449
Distance: 1.4473% / 1.44734922 | ADC: 0.5x
66.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
24.2 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.2 Iranian_Fars
0.2 Moroccan

Target: TJ8534449
Distance: 0.7278% / 0.72780556 | ADC: 0.25x
96.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
1.8 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal
0.8 Chinese
0.4 Mozabite
0.2 Azerbaijani_Iran
0.2 Sardinian

**Kyp** · 08-04-2020, 07:58 AM

Result from Tabriz (East-Azerbaijan Province)

Gedrosian: 21.82
Siberian: 2.21
Northwest_African: 1.28
Southeast_Asian: 0.25
Atlantic_Med: 8.84
North_European: 7.25
South_Asian 2.20
East_African 0.12
Southwest_Asian: 13.94
East_Asian: 2.43
Caucasian: 39.65
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Tabriz
2.40466214 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.14022292 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.45411349 Azerbaijani
3.75503662 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.86853978 Zaza
4.00911462 Turkmen_Iraq
4.98208792 Turk_Southeast
4.99170312 Kurd_Sorani
5.67604616 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.69451103 Kurd_KAZ
7.76180391 Lur_Iran
7.78010283 Turk_East
7.93416032 Kurd
8.03296334 Turk_Central_East
8.08559831 Kurds
8.42810180 Iranian
8.67149929 Uzbekistan_Jews
9.17660068 Turk_South
9.33356845 Iranian_Fars
9.97496867 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.37577467 Turk_Anatolia
10.37707088 Turk_Central_West
10.96215763 Iranians
11.58984469 Iran_Central_East
12.07876649 Armenian_East

Target: Tabriz
Distance: 0.6615% / 0.66145899 | ADC: 0.25x
50.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
26.6 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.4 Turk_Southeast
5.6 Iraq_Jews
4.4 Turkmen_Iraq

**Kyp** · 08-04-2020, 08:31 AM

Azerbaijani from West Azerbaijan Province, Iran

Gedrosian: 19.82
Siberian: 4.83
Northwest_African: 1.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.05
Atlantic_Med: 11.59
North_European: 6.51
South_Asian 2.34
East_African 0.10
Southwest_Asian: 14.28
East_Asian: 3.02
Caucasian: 35.45
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: WestAzerbaijan
4.44366965 Turk_Southeast
5.82498927 Azerbaijani
6.42118369 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.79125173 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.10688399 Turkmen_Iraq
7.11217266 Turk_South
7.59316140 Turk_Central_East
8.10633086 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.13416253 Turk_Central_West
8.22196449 Turk_Anatolia
8.78777560 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.97095870 Kurd_Sorani
9.50692379 Zaza
10.01903688 Turk_Southwest
10.63442993 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.18137290 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.33938711 Yoruk
11.36978012 Iranian_Fars
11.38224934 Turk_East
11.55832168 Lur_Iran
12.32006088 Turk_Northwest
12.39745538 Kurd
12.66613201 Iranian
12.75143521 Iran_Khorasan
12.84417767 Uzbekistan_Jews

Target: WestAzerbaijan
Distance: 1.5131% / 1.51305083 | ADC: 0.25x
64.0 Turk_Southeast
29.0 Turkmen_Iraq
2.2 Brahui
2.2 Sardinian
1.8 Yakut
0.8 Nganassan

**Sora** · 08-04-2020, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Result from Tabriz (East-Azerbaijan Province)

Originally Posted by Kyp

Azerbaijani from West Azerbaijan Province, Iran

Interesting! It seems Iranian Azeris really have more Turkic & Mongoloid ancestry than Republic Azeris. Also in a study, Mongoloid Y-Dna of Iranian Azeris were 20%, while it's only 6% in Republic Azeris. If we calculate the Turkic Y-Dnas(Caucasoid ydnas like R1a + R1b included), then Turkic Y-Dna in Iranian Azeris is 4x of the Republic ones

**Kyp** · 08-04-2020, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sora

Interesting! It seems Iranian Azeris really have more Turkic & Mongoloid ancestry than Republic Azeris. Also in a study, Mongoloid Y-Dna of Iranian Azeris were 20%, while it's only 6% in Republic Azeris. If we calculate the Turkic Y-Dnas(Caucasoid ydnas like R1a + R1b included), then Turkic Y-Dna in Iranian Azeris is 4x of the Republic ones

It depends on the region in Republic. Northwest (Aghstafa/Gazakh) for example has very high Turkic input.

I still would say Turkic input in Rep and Iranian Azerbaijanis is about the same. Also intermarriages with other people is very common in both regions. Due to turkification of other tribes in Republic and in case of Iran due to being a minority in Iran.

**Kaspias** · 08-04-2020, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

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Hello Kyp,

I was able to find information on a migration wave from Sultaniye to Bulgaria(Kardzhali) in either 18 or 19th century. Are there any sources about it on the Azerbaijani side? It seems like migration happened because of an epidemic.