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    Default G25 Scaled "aproximate" version of "Andre's K13 Vahaduo calculator " for Balkans.

    Copied idea from this thread by opened by Universe: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...91#post6838391

    I tried to choose exactly the same references, but unfortunately, i didn´t find any "Emilia-Romagna" reference for North_Paleo_Balkan, so I choose the next closer reference, also italian, that is Umbria.

    I limited the number of individual samples from Germany to 10, because if not, Germany would be overrepresented in sources.I take 5 from the first samples, and 5 of the last ones.

    I know they are not the same references, but I am curious to see if results are similar to those from K13.

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    https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

    References form modern averages pop (some ofrum member consider that 3 German individual samples are not enough Germanic so I add my German+Dutch reference to represent West_Germany reference in K13):

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    Germanic:Ger+Dutch,0.12850750,0.13434200,0.05953750,0.04242800,0.04023600,0.01613500,0.00530550,0.00693350,0.00355100,0.00110350,-0.00542900,0.00348000,-0.00703950,-0.00569200,0.01297850,0.00431800,-0.00574350,0.00146500,0.00381850,0.00226650,0.00391550,0.00243600,0.00017000,0.01182950,-0.00010750
    Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad,0.133742,0.12948,0.073727,0.057494,0.0373915,0.029144,0.0094,0.007269,0.004295,-0.018224,-0.001543,-0.006369,0.0102575,0.017753,-0.0138435,0.0007295,0.0002605,0.0034205,0.0055305,0.001313,0,-0.002782,0.010846,-0.0069285,0.001736
    South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria,0.117111,0.147477,0.007794,-0.027994,0.020038,-0.009172,-0.000862,-0.00241,0.005227,0.025918,-0.000379,0.005395,-0.010158,-0.005321,-0.002488,0.000575,0.006954,0.000591,0.001061,-0.002334,-0.003411,0.000756,0.000315,0.003039,-0.001091
    North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo,0.112685,0.148801,-0.000675,-0.034765,0.016116,-0.01255,0.000779,-0.002283,0.003789,0.020813,0.000513,0.003668,-0.005633,-0.003904,-0.00615,-0.001466,0.00186,0.000267,0.003361,-0.003693,-0.003809,0.001334,0.000889,0.001706,-0.000964
    Altaic:Altaian,0.057367,-0.28841,0.067052,-0.007881,-0.061304,-0.023873,0.011845,0.015738,0.001677,0.001968,-0.018642,-0.002518,0.000119,-0.011615,-0.00247,0.001989,-0.002764,-0.001318,0.011087,0.015257,-0.024157,0.001607,-0.014223,-0.00106,-0.002179
    Originally posted sources(made with individual averages), don´t use them, I let them here to explain first results we got.

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    Target: Gallop_scaled
    Distance: 4.3389% / 0.04338875
    48.4 Germanic
    28.8 North_Paleo_Balkan
    22.2 South_Paleo_Balkan
    0.6 Altaic

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    Distance to:	Gallop_scaled
    0.05748684	North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG08
    0.05926612	North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG12
    0.06554709	North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG04
    0.06680517	Germanic:German79
    0.06692185	North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG11
    0.06912317	North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG15
    0.07098942	North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG03
    0.07187848	North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG07
    0.07251414	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo16
    0.07476895	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo15
    0.07504307	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo21
    0.07564036	Germanic:German78
    0.07646774	North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG06
    0.07677826	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo19
    0.07685865	North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG05
    0.07850970	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo17
    0.07885727	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo20
    0.08115274	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo22
    0.08122437	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo23
    0.08125823	Germanic:German10
    0.08149625	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo9
    0.08216483	Germanic:German9
    0.08224356	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo13
    0.08311985	South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo14
    0.08446256	Germanic:German8
    0.08463154	Germanic:German1
    0.08503420	Germanic:German12
    0.08849367	Germanic:German11
    0.09092488	Germanic:German77
    0.10030918	Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1
    0.10298832	Germanic:German13
    0.12423623	Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2
    0.44207284	Altaic:Altaian:altai419A
    0.44987567	Altaic:Altaian:altai431k
    0.45160840	Altaic:Altaian:altai283p
    0.45870652	Altaic:Altaian:altai280p
    0.47000313	Altaic:Altaian:altai363p
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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    My results with G25 model:

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 3.8282% / 0.03828236

    53.4 North_Paleo_Balkan
    46.6 Germanic

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 4.0041% / 0.04004051

    67.6 North_Paleo_Balkan
    31.8 Germanic
    0.6 South_Paleo_Balkan

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 4.2067% / 0.04206739

    58.2 Germanic
    41.8 North_Paleo_Balkan

    My results with K13:

    Target: gixajo(mixed South/North Spain)
    Distance: 17.5863% / 17.58626325

    65.6 Germanic
    34.4 North_PaleoBalk

    Target: gixajo_dad (South Spain)
    Distance: 16.8378% / 16.83779355

    53.2 North_PaleoBalk
    46.8 Germanic

    Target: gixajo_mom(North Spain)
    Distance: 18.8015% / 18.80147765

    74.6 Germanic
    25.4 North_PaleoBalk


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    Target: Juan_scaled
    Distance: 4.5548% / 0.04554757
    44.0 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo21
    34.6 Germanic:German79
    15.4 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria: PG08
    4.6 Germanic:German11
    1.4 Altaic:Altaian:altai363p

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    I am not from Balkans, so I guess my results don´t interest anyone, I am curious about see both results from actual people from Balkans, to see differences between K13 and G25.


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    too many samples for a Balkan calc also some samples are not that Germanic:
    Andre used only 4 samples and clear samples.

    Target: Germanic:German13
    Distance: 2.6753% / 0.02675261 | ADC: 0.5x
    46.2 Polish
    26.8 Swedish
    13.6 Cossack_Ukrainian
    9.8 German_East
    2.4 Finnish
    1.2 Lithuanian_PZ


    Target: Germanic:German77
    Distance: 1.9630% / 0.01962988 | ADC: 0.5x
    38.2 Norwegian
    21.8 Czech
    20.8 Slovakian
    14.0 German
    5.2 Icelandic


    Target: Germanic:German9
    Distance: 3.0100% / 0.03010035 | ADC: 0.5x
    34.4 Welsh
    24.6 Slovakian
    12.0 Danish
    12.0 French_Pas-de-Calais
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon2 View Post
    Target: Juan_scaled
    Distance: 4.5548% / 0.04554757
    44.0 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo21
    34.6 Germanic:German79
    15.4 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria: PG08
    4.6 Germanic:German11
    1.4 Altaic:Altaian:altai363p
    And your results in the K13 model?

    You are also Spanish so your results are so useless than mines.


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    As Spaniards we are basically half-moors, I add Mar_Taforalt references to obtain better distances:

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    MAR_Taforalt:TAF009,-0.162767,0.07718,-0.024513,-0.079135,0.009848,-0.047969,-0.052877,0.020538,0.13294,0.002005,0.025333,-0.026676,0.057978,-0.052985,0.072882,-0.034076,0.002347,-0.05625,-0.130475,0.04152,-0.026204,-0.120314,0.067909,-0.016508,0.012334
    MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
    MAR_Taforalt:TAF011,-0.194638,0.085304,-0.021873,-0.088825,0.026774,-0.059961,-0.072148,0.019845,0.161165,0.002551,0.016564,-0.035818,0.080574,-0.051196,0.066367,-0.037523,0.012126,-0.071199,-0.14493,0.035767,-0.041427,-0.12662,0.068279,-0.011447,0.018441
    MAR_Taforalt:TAF013,-0.196914,0.082258,-0.026398,-0.088502,0.032314,-0.057173,-0.074733,0.017768,0.156665,0.002369,0.02111,-0.036717,0.077898,-0.052159,0.072746,-0.038584,0.000913,-0.069552,-0.141285,0.039894,-0.035687,-0.125384,0.075428,-0.011206,0.020477
    MAR_Taforalt:TAF014,-0.201467,0.079211,-0.018479,-0.083011,0.034468,-0.055499,-0.076848,0.014538,0.162596,0.002005,0.020461,-0.029374,0.078344,-0.054223,0.066503,-0.025192,0.017602,-0.063724,-0.151215,0.04127,-0.042176,-0.126126,0.077153,-0.014339,0.012693


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    FTDNA gave me 10% in that area
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Confirmed, we are half moorish:

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 3.6876% / 0.03687558

    48.8 Germanic
    48.8 North_Paleo_Balkan
    2.4 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 3.7223% / 0.03722276

    61.4 North_Paleo_Balkan
    35.2 Germanic
    3.4 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 4.0095% / 0.04009489

    62.0 Germanic
    35.2 North_Paleo_Balkan
    2.8 MAR_Taforalt
    Last edited by gixajo; 08-10-2020 at 02:12 PM.


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