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Copied idea from this thread by opened by Universe: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...91#post6838391
I tried to choose exactly the same references, but unfortunately, i didn´t find any "Emilia-Romagna" reference for North_Paleo_Balkan, so I choose the next closer reference, also italian, that is Umbria.
I limited the number of individual samples from Germany to 10, because if not, Germany would be overrepresented in sources.I take 5 from the first samples, and 5 of the last ones.
I know they are not the same references, but I am curious to see if results are similar to those from K13.
SCALED
https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/
References form modern averages pop (some ofrum member consider that 3 German individual samples are not enough Germanic so I add my German+Dutch reference to represent West_Germany reference in K13):
Originally posted sources(made with individual averages), don´t use them, I let them here to explain first results we got.Code:Germanic:Ger+Dutch,0.12850750,0.13434200,0.05953750,0.04242800,0.04023600,0.01613500,0.00530550,0.00693350,0.00355100,0.00110350,-0.00542900,0.00348000,-0.00703950,-0.00569200,0.01297850,0.00431800,-0.00574350,0.00146500,0.00381850,0.00226650,0.00391550,0.00243600,0.00017000,0.01182950,-0.00010750 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad,0.133742,0.12948,0.073727,0.057494,0.0373915,0.029144,0.0094,0.007269,0.004295,-0.018224,-0.001543,-0.006369,0.0102575,0.017753,-0.0138435,0.0007295,0.0002605,0.0034205,0.0055305,0.001313,0,-0.002782,0.010846,-0.0069285,0.001736 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria,0.117111,0.147477,0.007794,-0.027994,0.020038,-0.009172,-0.000862,-0.00241,0.005227,0.025918,-0.000379,0.005395,-0.010158,-0.005321,-0.002488,0.000575,0.006954,0.000591,0.001061,-0.002334,-0.003411,0.000756,0.000315,0.003039,-0.001091 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo,0.112685,0.148801,-0.000675,-0.034765,0.016116,-0.01255,0.000779,-0.002283,0.003789,0.020813,0.000513,0.003668,-0.005633,-0.003904,-0.00615,-0.001466,0.00186,0.000267,0.003361,-0.003693,-0.003809,0.001334,0.000889,0.001706,-0.000964 Altaic:Altaian,0.057367,-0.28841,0.067052,-0.007881,-0.061304,-0.023873,0.011845,0.015738,0.001677,0.001968,-0.018642,-0.002518,0.000119,-0.011615,-0.00247,0.001989,-0.002764,-0.001318,0.011087,0.015257,-0.024157,0.001607,-0.014223,-0.00106,-0.002179
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Last edited by gixajo; 08-10-2020 at 01:53 PM.
"Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas"
"Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet: sapere aude, incipe."


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| Received: 8,892/29 Given: 5,289/29 |
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 4.3389% / 0.04338875
48.4 Germanic
28.8 North_Paleo_Balkan
22.2 South_Paleo_Balkan
0.6 Altaic
Code:Distance to: Gallop_scaled 0.05748684 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG08 0.05926612 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG12 0.06554709 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG04 0.06680517 Germanic:German79 0.06692185 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG11 0.06912317 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG15 0.07098942 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG03 0.07187848 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG07 0.07251414 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo16 0.07476895 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo15 0.07504307 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo21 0.07564036 Germanic:German78 0.07646774 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG06 0.07677826 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo19 0.07685865 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria:PG05 0.07850970 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo17 0.07885727 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo20 0.08115274 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo22 0.08122437 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo23 0.08125823 Germanic:German10 0.08149625 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo9 0.08216483 Germanic:German9 0.08224356 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo13 0.08311985 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo14 0.08446256 Germanic:German8 0.08463154 Germanic:German1 0.08503420 Germanic:German12 0.08849367 Germanic:German11 0.09092488 Germanic:German77 0.10030918 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 0.10298832 Germanic:German13 0.12423623 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 0.44207284 Altaic:Altaian:altai419A 0.44987567 Altaic:Altaian:altai431k 0.45160840 Altaic:Altaian:altai283p 0.45870652 Altaic:Altaian:altai280p 0.47000313 Altaic:Altaian:altai363p
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.



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My results with G25 model:
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.8282% / 0.03828236
53.4 North_Paleo_Balkan
46.6 Germanic
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.0041% / 0.04004051
67.6 North_Paleo_Balkan
31.8 Germanic
0.6 South_Paleo_Balkan
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.2067% / 0.04206739
58.2 Germanic
41.8 North_Paleo_Balkan
My results with K13:
Target: gixajo(mixed South/North Spain)
Distance: 17.5863% / 17.58626325
65.6 Germanic
34.4 North_PaleoBalk
Target: gixajo_dad (South Spain)
Distance: 16.8378% / 16.83779355
53.2 North_PaleoBalk
46.8 Germanic
Target: gixajo_mom(North Spain)
Distance: 18.8015% / 18.80147765
74.6 Germanic
25.4 North_PaleoBalk
"Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas"
"Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet: sapere aude, incipe."


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Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.5548% / 0.04554757
44.0 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo21
34.6 Germanic:German79
15.4 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria: PG08
4.6 Germanic:German11
1.4 Altaic:Altaian:altai363p



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I am not from Balkans, so I guess my results don´t interest anyone, I am curious about see both results from actual people from Balkans, to see differences between K13 and G25.
"Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas"
"Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet: sapere aude, incipe."


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too many samples for a Balkan calc also some samples are not that Germanic:
Andre used only 4 samples and clear samples.
Target: Germanic:German13
Distance: 2.6753% / 0.02675261 | ADC: 0.5x
46.2 Polish
26.8 Swedish
13.6 Cossack_Ukrainian
9.8 German_East
2.4 Finnish
1.2 Lithuanian_PZ
Target: Germanic:German77
Distance: 1.9630% / 0.01962988 | ADC: 0.5x
38.2 Norwegian
21.8 Czech
20.8 Slovakian
14.0 German
5.2 Icelandic
Target: Germanic:German9
Distance: 3.0100% / 0.03010035 | ADC: 0.5x
34.4 Welsh
24.6 Slovakian
12.0 Danish
12.0 French_Pas-de-Calais
12.0 German
4.4 Dutch
0.6 Norwegian



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As Spaniards we are basically half-moors, I add Mar_Taforalt references to obtain better distances:
Code:MAR_Taforalt:TAF009,-0.162767,0.07718,-0.024513,-0.079135,0.009848,-0.047969,-0.052877,0.020538,0.13294,0.002005,0.025333,-0.026676,0.057978,-0.052985,0.072882,-0.034076,0.002347,-0.05625,-0.130475,0.04152,-0.026204,-0.120314,0.067909,-0.016508,0.012334 MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322 MAR_Taforalt:TAF011,-0.194638,0.085304,-0.021873,-0.088825,0.026774,-0.059961,-0.072148,0.019845,0.161165,0.002551,0.016564,-0.035818,0.080574,-0.051196,0.066367,-0.037523,0.012126,-0.071199,-0.14493,0.035767,-0.041427,-0.12662,0.068279,-0.011447,0.018441 MAR_Taforalt:TAF013,-0.196914,0.082258,-0.026398,-0.088502,0.032314,-0.057173,-0.074733,0.017768,0.156665,0.002369,0.02111,-0.036717,0.077898,-0.052159,0.072746,-0.038584,0.000913,-0.069552,-0.141285,0.039894,-0.035687,-0.125384,0.075428,-0.011206,0.020477 MAR_Taforalt:TAF014,-0.201467,0.079211,-0.018479,-0.083011,0.034468,-0.055499,-0.076848,0.014538,0.162596,0.002005,0.020461,-0.029374,0.078344,-0.054223,0.066503,-0.025192,0.017602,-0.063724,-0.151215,0.04127,-0.042176,-0.126126,0.077153,-0.014339,0.012693
"Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas"
"Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet: sapere aude, incipe."


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FTDNA gave me 10% in that area
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.



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Confirmed, we are half moorish:
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.6876% / 0.03687558
48.8 Germanic
48.8 North_Paleo_Balkan
2.4 MAR_Taforalt
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.7223% / 0.03722276
61.4 North_Paleo_Balkan
35.2 Germanic
3.4 MAR_Taforalt
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.0095% / 0.04009489
62.0 Germanic
35.2 North_Paleo_Balkan
2.8 MAR_Taforalt
Last edited by gixajo; 08-10-2020 at 02:12 PM.
"Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas"
"Dimidium facti, qui coepit, habet: sapere aude, incipe."
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