Who are the purest Aryans?

[Zoro]

aryans were something like 70 pecent europeans + mixture of gedrosia rich northrern pakistani like population.

ancient populations have only academic relevance in genetics , they shouldnt be used for racio political point scoring.

Impossible that they were 70% European! Aryans who by definition are inhabitants of ancient Ariana and surrounds include Parthians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Pactyans, Medes and the like have some Saka/Scythian, Sarmatian like ancestry who in turn have Steppe-MLBA ancestry (Sintashta, Andronovo) varied widely in their Steppe ancestry.

Even full Sintashta wasn't 70% European. At best they were 60% European (Harvard paper below) if you want to include EHG as 100 % European. The inhabitants of Ariana I mentioned were certainly not 100% Sintashta derived. Some but certainly not all Aryans may have been as high as 50% Sintashta derived so that would mean 1/2 of 60% or 30% European max.

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[NPKTO]

Impossible that they were 70% European! Aryans who by definition are inhabitants of ancient Ariana and surrounds include Parthians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Pactyans, Medes and the like have some Saka/Scythian, Sarmatian like ancestry who in turn have Steppe-MLBA ancestry (Sintashta, Andronovo) varied widely in their Steppe ancestry.

Even full Sintashta wasn't 70% European. At best they were 60% European (Harvard paper below) if you want to include EHG as 100 % European. The inhabitants of Ariana I mentioned were certainly not 100% Sintashta derived. Some but certainly not all Aryans may have been as high as 50% Sintashta derived so that would mean 1/2 of 60% or 30% European max.

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From your pov, even modern day Euros aren't 100% Euros?

[Blondie]

Yes aryans were iranic peoples in the reality, but most peoples in the world know nothing about history and they consider germanic peoples as aryans. If you ask random peoples in the streets majority of them will say germanic or blonde instead of iranian.

[ShieldWolf]

Who are the purest Aryans?

Iranians/Persians

[Zoro]

From your pov, even modern day Euros aren't 100% Euros?

If we define original Europeans as WHG then no. Hunting gathering is a very marginal existence. Farmers and farming is responsible for the world population growth and West Asian farmers quickly outnumbered the indigenous European hunters. Therefore Europeans have about 80% ancestry from West Asian farmers and Eurasian steppe herders.

[Thambi]

slavic people are probably closest if we look at the major 'aryan' cultures like sintashta, yamnaya, srubnaya, scythians, etc.

[NPKTO]

If we define original Europeans as WHG then no. Hunting gathering is a very marginal existence. Farmers and farming is responsible for the world population growth and West Asian farmers quickly outnumbered the indigenous European hunters. Therefore Europeans have about 80% ancestry from West Asian farmers and Eurasian steppe herders.

Sintashta is pretty close to modern day Euros actually. It's somewhat lower EEF shifted compared to modern day Euros instead trades it with CHG. But CHG can be found in modern day Euros as well. And differences aren't that much either. Sintashta could be 100% modern day European imo.

[NSXD60]

"arya" is from Black Sea PIE "eryo", and best preserved in Indo-Iranian, but also found in Greek "aristos" (best), a noble aristocrat, Irish "Eireann" (of Ireland, originally "of Aryans" = land of Aryans), cognate with Iran, originally Aryanam.

[Zoro]

slavic people are probably closest if we look at the major 'aryan' cultures like sintashta, yamnaya, srubnaya, scythians, etc.

Indians are people from India, Iranians are people from Iran, Aryans are people from ancient Ariana. There was no Slavs, Yamnaya, Srubnaya, or Sintashta living in Ariana. So by what logic are they Aryans ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana

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Only Iranics such as Pashtuns, Persians, Kurds, Tajiks, and the like and N Indics can be called Aryans because they are descended from the ancient peoples of Ariana and surrounds

[Zoro]

Sintashta is pretty close to modern day Euros actually. It's somewhat lower EEF shifted compared to modern day Euros instead trades it with CHG. But CHG can be found in modern day Euros as well. And differences aren't that much either. Sintashta could be 100% modern day European imo.

Here is the highest quality Srubnaya sample and even it is modeled as 25% SC Asian. None of the inhabitants of Ariana was 100% Srubnaya or Sintashta of course. If the highest steppe Aryans were 40% Sintashta so they would be 0.4 x 0.75 = 30% European. Other Aryans would be much less of course.

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 52.76
2 Atlantic_Med 22.02
3 Gedrosia 19.06
4 Caucasus 3.41
5 Siberian 1.40
6 Sub_Saharan 1.34


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swedish_Dodecad @ 16.480244
2 German_Dodecad @ 18.082424
3 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 18.164101
4 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 20.625237
5 Dutch_Dodecad @ 20.803783
6 Hungarians_Behar @ 21.035147
7 Argyll_1000Genomes @ 21.740650
8 Orkney_1000Genomes @ 22.353182
9 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 22.709599
10 English_Dodecad @ 22.899597
11 Orcadian_HGDP @ 23.058844
12 Polish_Dodecad @ 23.244364
13 Kent_1000Genomes @ 23.449646
14 Irish_Dodecad @ 23.504055
15 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 23.785099
16 Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 23.995304
17 Mixed_Slav_Dodecad @ 24.455431
18 British_Dodecad @ 24.772257
19 Russian_Dodecad @ 24.994476
20 Russian_HGDP @ 25.001371

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +50% Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 11.973733


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanians_Behar +25% Makrani_HGDP +25% Orcadian_HGDP @ 6.801188


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Brahui_HGDP + British_Isles_Dodecad + Lithuanians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar @ 6.646989
2 Brahui_HGDP + Lithuanians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Orkney_1000Genomes @ 6.666158
3 Brahui_HGDP + Lithuanians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Orcadian_HGDP @ 6.670878