Ukrainian national average

[Peterski]

I thought the contrary, that Western Ukrainians are under-represented. Who are Western Ukrainians there, apart from the person from Lviv?

In Global25 ???

[Ion Basescul]

In Global25 ???

This name is so confusing. I was referring to Davidski's modern spreadsheet and not Lukasz's K13.

[Lucas]

You want change in G25 or K15 on Vahaduo?

[Peterski]

This name is so confusing. I was referring to Davidski's modern spreadsheet

Both Ukrainian reference in G25 & Ukrainian references in original GEDmatch spreadsheets for Eurogenes K13/K15 are mostly Western Ukrainians AFAIK.

Davidski told me that "Ukrainian" average in K15/K13 (original spreadsheets from GEDmatch) are based mostly on samples from North-Western Ukraine.

These 28 Kiev Ukrainians are from "Between Baltic and Baikal" study and are probably the most representative. They were not used in Global25.

[Lucas]

Because they are the only ones who are obvious immigrants, others can pass as local Central Ukrainians.

Anyway it doesn't change much in distances, here the average with 26 samples (including 3 SW-shifted):

Ukrainian_Kiev_AvgB(n=26),18.79,15.55,29.64,19.30,6.20,4.73,2.61,0.91,0.57,0.16,0.47,0.40,0.35,0.08,0.23

Distance to: Ukrainian_Kiev_AvgB(n=26)
3.57906412 Russian_Smolensk
4.26875860 Ukrainian_Belgorod
4.29981395 Southwest_Russian
4.44275815 South_Polish
4.91692994 Ukrainian
5.14771794 Polish
5.28524361 Belorussian
5.36008395 Ukraine_East
5.37404875 Ukrainian_Lviv
(...)

I added to http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo.htm
this average instead of original from Gedmatch. I used it too in K36 and is verified that it is good.

Besides it there are still such K15 refs:
Ukrainian_Belgorod,17.90,15.05,29.66,22.16,3.76,6. 41,2.58,0.64,0.68,0.21,0.21,0.31,0.12,0.14,0.17
Ukrainian_Lviv,22.18,13.92,27.35,16.68,7.54,4.90,3 .14,1.44,0.97,0.25,0.54,0.54,0.45,0.04,0.05
Ukraine_East,18.08,13.38,31.97,22.31,6.69,2.68,1.1 0,0.14,1.86,0.29,0.40,0.42,0.36,0.20,0.12

[Peterski]

What is "Ukraine_East" ???

Does it include this academic sample supposedly from Sumy Oblast which actually plots with Czechs & East Germans?

This Sumy Oblast sample is in Global25. It plots around Czechs, LOL.

[Lucas]

What is "Ukraine_East" ???

Does it include this academic sample supposedly from Sumy Oblast which actually plots with Czechs & East Germans?

This Sumy Oblast sample is in Global25. It plots around Czechs, LOL.

Don't remember. It was posted in Vahaduo thread here probably.

[Lucas]

What is "Ukraine_East" ???

Does it include this academic sample supposedly from Sumy Oblast which actually plots with Czechs & East Germans?

This Sumy Oblast sample is in Global25. It plots around Czechs, LOL.

It's actually very NE. Certainly not this Sume Oblast "Czech like". Maybe Leto posted it.

Target: Ukraine_East
Distance: 3.7444% / 3.74442553 | ADC: 0.5x
38.2 Estonian_Polish
20.2 Ukrainian
14.6 Ukrainian_Belgorod
11.2 Lithuanian
8.6 Erzya
7.2 Latvian

Target: Ukraine_East
Distance: 2.3820% / 2.38195153 | ADC: 0.25x
42.6 Latvian
22.2 Ukrainian_Belgorod
10.8 Ukrainian
10.6 Erzya
8.6 Estonian_Polish
4.4 Sardinian
0.4 North_Kannadi
0.4 Sakilli

Target: Ukraine_East
Distance: 1.3747% / 1.37470041
74.0 Latvian
12.2 Erzya
9.2 Sardinian
4.6 Kalash

[Jana]

What about these Masurian averages? I got them from Peterski some time ago iirc. Maybe Lucas can inspect them and add to Vahaduuo if they are quality.

Masurian_K13,31.66,44.71,11.83,4.12,2.82,1.20,0.89 ,0.20,1.14,0.39,0.29,0.17,0.58
Masurian_K15,25.23,16.34,27.09,19.69,7.30,1.66,0.3 1,0.88,0.45,0.07,0.25,0.12,0.17,0.11,0.36

[vbnetkhio]

Both Ukrainian reference in G25 & Ukrainian references in original GEDmatch spreadsheets for Eurogenes K13/K15 are mostly Western Ukrainians AFAIK.

Davidski told me that "Ukrainian" average in K15/K13 (original spreadsheets from GEDmatch) are based mostly on samples from North-Western Ukraine.

These 28 Kiev Ukrainians are from "Between Baltic and Baikal" study and are probably the most representative. They were not used in Global25.

that explains why so many South Slavs got that average in their oracles. They are the best proxy for proto-Slavs