Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[vbnetkhio]

^^^ And what is the source of the Non-SG sample?

I remember that I processed and added the SG one.

it was uploaded to gedmatch by the Chechen user RasulSrg (Serganover) from Anthrogenica.

[Jana]

There was a similar case here with the South Croat samples. There was a group that clustered with Slovenes and another group that clustered with Serbs. Since they were so different, I proposed having separate averages for them and it was done for a while before they were combined again.

Actually that group clustered with north shifted Bosniaks and Moldovans, not Slovenians. They almost completely lacked Celto-Germanic like input and were like Vlatko Vukovic and Incelslayer, NE shifted.

Croats south of Sava river can be very Slavic, but their other part is very southern and east Med shifted. Central European like samples are not the norm and likely have some ancestry from futher north in Croatia.

[Ion Basescul]

excuses

Look at figure S3 from the supplementary data of this study: https://advances.sciencemag.org/cont...aat4457_SM.pdf

scy192 and 305 cluster with Albanians and Greeks and are clearly detached from Italians.
scy197 and 300 cluster with Tuscans and Greeks.

All 4 don't cluster with Southwest Euros.

[Peterski]

OK here is "the other" (non-SG) Scy197, I converted it directly from the BAM file at ENA:

Scy197_K15,11.37,16.09,10.91,6.70,22.14,9.08,17.24,4.03,0,1.01,1.43,0,0,0,0
Scy197_K13,22.29,15.87,25.85,8.13,20.37,4.43,0,1.44,1.61,0,0,0,0
Scy197_K12b,3.65,0,0.95,0,34.48,20.91,0,0.16,5.43,2.97,29.50,1.97

[Ion Basescul]

Here is "the other" (non-SG) Scy197, directly from the BAM file at ENA:

Scy197_K15,11.37,16.09,10.91,6.70,22.14,9.08,17.24,4.03,0,1.01,1.43,0,0,0,0
Scy197_K13,22.29,15.87,25.85,8.13,20.37,4.43,0,1.44,1.61,0,0,0,0
Scy197_K12b,3.65,0,0.95,0,34.48,20.91,0,0.16,5.43,2.97,29.50,1.97

Doesn't fit my agenda, try again

[Peterski]

Similar to SG version from David Reich?:

Distance to: Scy197_K15
6.33727071 Albanian-Kosovo
6.97281866 Albanian-Macedonia
7.93330952 Albanian-North
7.96759688 Kosovo_Albanian
8.61433108 Albanian-South

Distance to: Scy197_K13
6.14113182 Albanian_north_Albania
6.65007519 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
6.74528724 Albanian_Kosovo
6.99762102 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
7.00250669 Albanian

Distance to: Scy197_K12b
6.12801762 Italy_Romagna
6.99888548 Italy_Marche
7.09615741 Italy_Tuscany
7.25624448 Italy_Lazio
7.89226146 Italy_Emilia

BTW do you know who made Romagna and Emilia averages and what samples were used?

[Leto]

I never knew there had been Scythians with an Albanian-like genetic profile. Incredible.
"Are you even Iranic, bro?"

[Mingle]

Actually that group clustered with north shifted Bosniaks and Moldovans, not Slovenians. They almost completely lacked Celto-Germanic like input and were like Vlatko Vukovic and Incelslayer, NE shifted.

Croats south of Sava river can be very Slavic, but their other part is very southern and east Med shifted. Central European like samples are not the norm and likely have some ancestry from futher north in Croatia.

Okay, I just meant they were significantly more northern shifted and Slovenes were the first group that came to mind.

[vbnetkhio]

Doesn't fit my agenda, try again

please enlighten me, what's my agenda?

i was open minded, and left an open possibility for these samples really being Albanian like, and explained how that could have occured. and you seem to be agressively pushing your position and completely discard mine.

i'm still waiting for an answer: what does an outlying, mixed population from a very small area in Moldova have to do with the grand scale genetics of the Balkans? (and of modern Moldovans and Romanians for that matter?)

Look at figure S3 from the supplementary data of this study: https://advances.sciencemag.org/cont...aat4457_SM.pdf

scy192 and 305 cluster with Albanians and Greeks and are clearly detached from Italians.
scy197 and 300 cluster with Tuscans and Greeks.

All 4 don't cluster with Southwest Euros.

there could have been some false steps in the making of this PCA . like, you know, using SG and non-SG samples in the same PCA.

Similar to SG version from David Reich?:

this could be that very same version. best to somehow get in touch with Serganover and find out what he used.

[Tacitus]

Similar to SG version from David Reich?:

Distance to: Scy197_K15
6.33727071 Albanian-Kosovo
6.97281866 Albanian-Macedonia
7.93330952 Albanian-North
7.96759688 Kosovo_Albanian
8.61433108 Albanian-South

Distance to: Scy197_K13
6.14113182 Albanian_north_Albania
6.65007519 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
6.74528724 Albanian_Kosovo
6.99762102 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
7.00250669 Albanian

Distance to: Scy197_K12b
6.12801762 Italy_Romagna
6.99888548 Italy_Marche
7.09615741 Italy_Tuscany
7.25624448 Italy_Lazio
7.89226146 Italy_Emilia

BTW do you know who made Romagna and Emilia averages and what samples were used?

I don't, but it seems that Emilia shifts towards NW Italy while Romagna shifts towards central Italy, which makes some sense given geography.

Spoiler!

Romagna covers the southeastern part of Emilia-Romagna along the Adriatic:

Distance to: Italy_Romagna
3.17078697 Italy_Tuscany
3.57201036 Italy_Marche
3.78031401 Italy_Lazio
4.88339687 Italy_Emilia
5.66876690 Italy_Liguria
6.56808770 France_Corsica
8.35813376 Albanian_Kosovo
8.44931344 Italy_Lombardy
8.58028383 Italy_Veneto
8.62869747 Italy_Piedmont
9.27254550 Albanian_North
9.57434706 Italy_Abruzzo
10.21595693 Italy_FriuliVG
11.51571309 Italy_Apulia
11.97055554 Turk_Macedonia
12.04935320 Swiss_Italian
12.24617434 Italy_Campania
12.57282387 Italy_Trentino
12.64469849 Greek
12.71834109 Turk_Greece
12.94003111 Italy_Sicily
13.69855467 R.Moldova_Gagauz
13.78883606 R.Moldova_South
13.84994224 Gagauz
15.27976440 Ashkenazi_Jews

Distance to: Italy_Emilia
1.76184639 Italy_Liguria
1.86056046 Italy_Tuscany
3.87051040 Italy_Lombardy
4.44194508 Italy_Piedmont
4.88339687 Italy_Romagna
5.01504058 Italy_Veneto
6.29414546 France_Corsica
7.57312671 Italy_FriuliVG
7.76814125 Swiss_Italian
8.31862473 Italy_Marche
8.51598611 Italy_Lazio
8.51613681 Italy_Trentino
10.34068552 Albanian_Kosovo
10.73703800 Albanian_North
11.13622596 Italy_Aosta_Valley
14.33447030 Italy_Abruzzo
14.53308085 R.Moldova_South
14.81631712 Turk_Macedonia
15.00564650 R.Moldova_Gagauz
15.32884663 Turk_Greece
15.35401449 Gagauz
15.39065207 Macedonian
15.98010235 Baleares
16.27705354 Italy_Apulia
16.50704010 Montenegrin

You can see the same phenomenon with K13 too:
Distance to: Romagna
2.14032708 Umbria
2.25803011 Tuscan
2.63397039 Marche
2.73492230 Lazio
3.75471703 Tuscany
5.18447683 Emilia
6.03433509 Greek_Western-Thrace
6.31550473 Liguria
6.70143268 FrenchCorsica
7.51459912 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.93969143 West_Sicilian
8.07416250 Greek_Central-Macedonia
8.23694118 Albanian_north_Albania
8.37072876 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.45666601 Albanian_Kosovo
8.50124697 Albanian_south_Albania
8.53116639 Albanian
8.60124991 Albanian_Albania
8.76609377 Abruzzo
8.98375688 Kosovo_Albanian
9.41109983 Lombardy
9.42436735 Albanian_Macedonia
9.42628771 Albanian_Montenegro
9.50008947 Greek_Thessaly
9.55466378 Basilicata

Distance to: Emilia
1.28872030 Liguria
1.73109792 Tuscany
4.48160685 Lombardy
4.85026803 Tuscan
5.18447683 Romagna
5.30262199 Veneto
5.71440286 Piedmont
6.24458165 Umbria
6.58633434 FrenchCorsica
7.12345422 Lazio
7.35995924 Marche
7.41831517 Friuli-VG
7.68951234 FRA_Provence
8.80596389 Trentino
9.30274153 Swiss-Italian2
9.81633333 Swiss_Italian
10.29350281 Greek_Western-Thrace
10.30565864 Albanian_Kosovo
10.45201416 Albanian_north_Albania
10.58730844 Greek_Central-Macedonia
10.73716909 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
11.05945442 Kosovo_Albanian
11.18165462 Albanian
11.41637859 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
11.55069262 Albanian_Albania

I think however the Dodecad samples were curated by someone at Eupedia, best check over there.