Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

**Leto** · 09-02-2020, 06:32 PM

Italy was prolly updated by Samnium or at least with his participation.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-02-2020, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i'm still waiting for an answer: what does an outlying, mixed population from a very small area in Moldova have to do with the grand scale genetics of the Balkans? (and of modern Moldovans and Romanians for that matter?)

So ignore them, if it's a small and mixed population, but don't go around spreading fakes just to distance yourself from Albanians. Reich, Davidski, the authors of the study and the SG coordinates are clearly in support of one another and you are the only one on the other front. An amateur just like me. Shall I also begin creating fakes based on how I expect Getae, Dacians, Cumans, etc. to have scored like?

Now I have to question everything that you submit and I advise Lucas to do the same.

**vbnetkhio** · 09-02-2020, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

So ignore them, if it's a small and mixed population, but don't go around spreading fakes just to distance yourself from Albanians. Reich, Davidski, the authors of the study and the SG coordinates are clearly in support of one another and you are the only one on the other front. An amateur just like me. Shall I also begin creating fakes based on how I expect Getae, Dacians, Cumans, etc. to have scored like?

Now I have to question everything that you submit and I advise Lucas to do the same.

fakes?

sorry to dissapoint you, but here they are:

CG7540766 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce_
CG2611850 scy301_scythian_Moldova_390_205bce_
FJ6435372 scy303_scythian_Moldova_380_203bce_
LH1646901 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
UM7604856 ScythianMoldova_SCY300_Moldova_397-209_BC
RC9424705 ScythianMoldova_SCY311_Moldova_389-204_BC

how did you manage to turn this into a war, or how did you conclude i'm in any way anti-Albanian, is beyond me.
btw, there are at least 2 other people on this forum who find these alternative results interesting and would probably like to have them on Vahaduo.

**Lucas** · 09-02-2020, 08:10 PM

So what about those ancient K13 samples?

Any agreement?

**Leto** · 09-02-2020, 09:00 PM

@Lucas, please add the new stuff from my PM.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-03-2020, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Lucas

So what about those ancient K13 samples?

Any agreement?

SG ones only, which are supported by Reich, Davidski and the authors of the study.

He can add those that will make him less similar to Albanians himself.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-03-2020, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

fakes?

sorry to dissapoint you, but here they are:

CG7540766 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce_
CG2611850 scy301_scythian_Moldova_390_205bce_
FJ6435372 scy303_scythian_Moldova_380_203bce_
LH1646901 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
UM7604856 ScythianMoldova_SCY300_Moldova_397-209_BC
RC9424705 ScythianMoldova_SCY311_Moldova_389-204_BC

Being on GEDmatch doesn't make them real. I can also feed wrong data and upload on GEDmatch.

If any literal who will want to create alternative kits that disagree with the original data from the study, lab and Davidski's Global 25, then the spreadsheet will turn into a complete mess.
You are creating a precedent and after this others will request the same from Lucas.

Some kind of filtering needs to be done to the Balkan members who can suggest data, because more often than not they are absolute nationalistic nutters and couldn't care less about scientific accuracy as long as it paints the picture that they want to see. You might not be like that, but pushing hard these samples that behave differently from the official SG ones does not make you look any different.

**Lucas** · 09-03-2020, 09:41 AM

Ok my compromise

I'm checking now raw files from Reich for those Scythians in AdmixtureStudio (K13). It will be new replacement.

EDIT: done and added

Code:

scy006_WGC_Ukraine_Scythian_WGC,44.63,17.92,10.54,0,1.01,2.51,12.54,0,0,8.57,0,2.27,0
scy009_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG,32.25,38.12,14.64,6.06,4.22,1.86,0,0,0,1.35,0.18,0.02,1.3
scy010_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG_,30.49,32.12,12.24,20.62,2.17,0,0,0,0,1.04,0,1.33,0
scy011_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG,25.46,21.85,5.22,32.87,0,0,1.41,0,5.8,4.73,2.66,0,0
scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.17,13.29,18.61,11.78,24.56,1.68,1.91,0,0.6,0,2.4,0,0
scy193_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o1_SG,11.12,33.32,0,15.33,0,17.57,5.75,0,0,1.13,4.29,5.39,6.1
scy197_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.25,15.8,28.22,3.76,22.72,7.4,0,0,2.85,0,0,0,0
scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.15,5.55,24.79,9.86,24.18,6.31,0,2.61,0,1.53,0,0,0
scy301_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.51,23.11,13.22,19.06,14,0,2.8,0,7.17,0.74,0.38,0,0
scy303_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o2_SG,48.47,28.96,5.57,0.67,8.9,0,3.75,0,0,1.77,1.37,0,0.55
scy304_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,40.23,7.82,20.61,5.99,11.8,0,1.05,3.13,0,7.45,0.95,0,0.97
scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,34.92,7.94,20.66,19.7,11.46,1.06,2.43,0.64,0,0,0,0,1.19
scy311_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,32.33,19.41,7.05,13.85,11.68,5.4,0,3.86,0.35,1.81,1.79,2.47,0
scy332_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o3_SG,16.88,0,0,0,0,0,4.56,28.54,34.79,0,15.22,0,0

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 09-03-2020, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Lucas

Ok my compromise

I'm checking now raw files from Reich for those Scythians in AdmixtureStudio (K13). It will be new replacement.

EDIT: done and added

Code:

scy006_WGC_Ukraine_Scythian_WGC,44.63,17.92,10.54,0,1.01,2.51,12.54,0,0,8.57,0,2.27,0
scy009_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG,32.25,38.12,14.64,6.06,4.22,1.86,0,0,0,1.35,0.18,0.02,1.3
scy010_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG_,30.49,32.12,12.24,20.62,2.17,0,0,0,0,1.04,0,1.33,0
scy011_SG_Ukraine_Scythian_SG,25.46,21.85,5.22,32.87,0,0,1.41,0,5.8,4.73,2.66,0,0
scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.17,13.29,18.61,11.78,24.56,1.68,1.91,0,0.6,0,2.4,0,0
scy193_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o1_SG,11.12,33.32,0,15.33,0,17.57,5.75,0,0,1.13,4.29,5.39,6.1
scy197_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.25,15.8,28.22,3.76,22.72,7.4,0,0,2.85,0,0,0,0
scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,25.15,5.55,24.79,9.86,24.18,6.31,0,2.61,0,1.53,0,0,0
scy301_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,19.51,23.11,13.22,19.06,14,0,2.8,0,7.17,0.74,0.38,0,0
scy303_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o2_SG,48.47,28.96,5.57,0.67,8.9,0,3.75,0,0,1.77,1.37,0,0.55
scy304_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,40.23,7.82,20.61,5.99,11.8,0,1.05,3.13,0,7.45,0.95,0,0.97
scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,34.92,7.94,20.66,19.7,11.46,1.06,2.43,0.64,0,0,0,0,1.19
scy311_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG,32.33,19.41,7.05,13.85,11.68,5.4,0,3.86,0.35,1.81,1.79,2.47,0
scy332_SG_Moldova_Scythian_o3_SG,16.88,0,0,0,0,0,4.56,28.54,34.79,0,15.22,0,0

Yep, these are decent enough.

Distance to:	scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG
5.71756067	Greek_Central-Macedonia
6.50671960	Romagna
6.60012121	Greek_Western-Thrace
6.69174865	Greek_Western-Macedonia
6.79309944	Turk_Alexandroupoli
6.83240807	Albanian_south_Albania
6.94368778	Umbria
7.00971856	Kosovo_Albanian
7.01559691	Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.02276299	Marche
7.22384939	Albanian_Kosovo
7.22556572	Albanian
7.39792538	Albanian_Montenegro
7.49705942	Albanian_Albania
7.52294490	Turk_Kazanlik
7.54287744	Lazio
7.62800105	Albanian_north_Albania
7.77919662	Greek_Thessaly
7.86463604	Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
7.96738351	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
7.97988095	Tuscan
8.14366165	GR_Peloponese
8.39109647	Albanian_Macedonia
8.57710907	Turk_Kavala
8.60691001	Tuscany

Davidski's Global 25

Distance to:	Scythian_MDA:scy192
0.03169278	Greek_Thessaly
0.03236811	Italian_Umbria
0.03310296	Albanian
0.03330800	Greek_Peloponnese
0.03331785	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03365049	Italian_Tuscany
0.03527896	Italian_Marche
0.03528722	Italian_Piedmont
0.03541678	Italian_Molise
0.03715650	Swiss_Italian
0.03732629	Greek_Izmir
0.03799659	Italian_Abruzzo
0.03809924	Italian_Lazio
0.04098982	French_Corsica
0.04279906	Italian_Apulia
0.04342582	Italian_Basilicata
0.04428340	Italian_Veneto
0.04431050	Italian_Lombardy
0.04501619	Gagauz
0.04506564	Italian_Bergamo
0.04658284	Italian_Liguria
0.04727562	Italian_Campania
0.04752906	Sicilian_West
0.04785316	Bulgarian
0.04823806	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

**vbnetkhio** · 09-03-2020, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas

Ok my compromise
I'm checking now raw files from Reich for those Scythians in AdmixtureStudio (K13). It will be new replacement.

EDIT: done and added

those are just the .SG samples, which were already there before yesterday.
so we are back at the start now.

the compromise would be if both version were in there, maybe one marked with "_other_version" in the end so they can be easily told apart.

P.S.
i want to let apricity users know i don't have a problem with any nation or religion, only with idiots.

for example, i made Albanian regional averages with the help of the Albanian user Safinator.
Lucas can confirm.