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    And this one from Khorasan who says to have Fars, Tork and Kord ancestry:

    Gedrosian: 26.52
    Siberian: 2.40
    Northwest_African: 0.00
    Southeast_Asian: 0.00
    Atlantic_Med: 8.55
    North_European: 10.63
    South_Asian 5.65
    East_African 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 8.98
    East_Asian: 5.68
    Caucasian: 31.59
    SSA: 0.00

    Distance to: KT
    4.10090234 Iran_Khorasan
    7.40851537 Turkmens
    8.15612653 Turkmen_Iran
    9.55277970 Iranian_Fars
    10.29052963 Azerbaijani
    10.52925923 Azerbaijani_Iran
    11.80070337 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    12.15964226 Kurd_Kurmanji
    12.42550603 Iranian
    12.69925195 Kurd_Sorani
    12.78602362 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    12.79970312 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    12.82699107 Turk_Southeast
    12.83448090 Tajik_Herat
    13.10861930 Lur_Iran
    13.42496182 Iran_Mazandaran
    13.63755477 Turkmen_Iraq
    13.75652209 Zaza
    14.12448583 Turk_South
    14.23556111 Yoruk
    14.98271337 Parsi_India
    15.00065999 Kurd_KAZ
    15.11491978 Turk_Anatolia
    15.41324106 Turk_Central_East
    15.43240422 Turk_Central_West
    15.48777582 Turk_Southwest

    Target: KT
    Distance: 2.3505% / 2.35046862 | ADC: 0.25x
    35.0 Azerbaijani
    31.0 Turkmens
    14.6 Tajik_Herat
    6.6 Iranian_Fars
    5.6 Iran_Mazandaran
    5.2 Yagnobi
    1.8 French_Basque

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    An old lady whose father/mother migrated to Anatolia from Kastoria, Greece. Kastoria took only the first wave of the Turkic mass-migration to the Balkans that consists of early Yörüks which belonged to the confederation "Tırhala Yörükleri." Dates between 1430 and 1500.

    In this sense, she is a decent example of how Turkic admixture wiped out in the region in 500 years when not supplied with fresh comers. Unmixed Turkish samples from the regions Ioannina, Kastoria, and Trikala are really rare.


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    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Almost completely Southeast European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    An old lady whose father/mother migrated to Anatolia from Kastoria, Greece. Kastoria took only the first wave of the Turkic mass-migration to the Balkans that consists of early Yörüks which belonged to the confederation "Tırhala Yörükleri." Dates between 1430 and 1500.

    In this sense, she is a decent example of how Turkic admixture wiped out in the region in 500 years when not supplied with fresh comers. Unmixed Turkish samples from the regions Ioannina, Kastoria, and Trikala are really rare.


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    Can you post your ss for this model? This also supports your previous claims about the difference between early and late Turkic migrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thracian View Post
    Can you post your ss for this model? This also supports your previous claims about the difference between early and late Turkic migrations.
    Eurogenes K13:

    Code:
    Slavic,29.0666666666667,43.6966666666667,12.0566666666667,5.82666666666667,4.68666666666667,0.736666666666667,0.163333333333333,0,2.05,0.836666666666667,0.223333333333333,0.633333333333333,0
    Paleo-Balkan:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75,3.2 4,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.58, 0.00,0.00
    Paleo-Balkan:2,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,22.5807216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814,5.59920962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.678659793814434,-0.13127147766323,0
    Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,25.28,3.38,29.68,9.14,27.88,4.63,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Turkic_Oghuz:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD,23.34,24.27,0,17.19,0,0,0,5.24,26.14,0,0,0,3.81


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    Turkic_Kipchak:DA142_620-920_AD,18.7,25.79,3.41,17.67,0,0,2.23,4.66,25.32,1.99,0.22,0,0
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Eurogenes K13:

    Code:
    Slavic,29.0666666666667,43.6966666666667,12.0566666666667,5.82666666666667,4.68666666666667,0.736666666666667,0.163333333333333,0,2.05,0.836666666666667,0.223333333333333,0.633333333333333,0
    Paleo-Balkan:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75,3.2 4,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.58, 0.00,0.00
    Paleo-Balkan:2,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,22.5807216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814,5.59920962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.678659793814434,-0.13127147766323,0
    Paleo-Balkan:BGR_IA,25.28,3.38,29.68,9.14,27.88,4.63,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Turkic_Oghuz:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD,23.34,24.27,0,17.19,0,0,0,5.24,26.14,0,0,0,3.81


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    Turkic_Kipchak:DA142_620-920_AD,18.7,25.79,3.41,17.67,0,0,2.23,4.66,25.32,1.99,0.22,0,0
    Target: Thracian
    Distance: 670.2118% / 6.70211839 | ADC: 0.25x
    76.2 Paleo-Balkan
    19.8 Turkic_Oghuz
    4.0 Slavic

    With Kipchaks

    Target: Thracian
    Distance: 660.9455% / 6.60945481 | ADC: 0.25x
    75.4 Paleo-Balkan
    17.0 Turkic_Kipchak
    4.0 Turkic_Oghuz
    3.6 Slavic

    Who are Paleo-Balkan 2? And also interestingly your mother scores some Turkic as well (around 1/8). Is that possible?

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    Two Georgians (close relatives), presumably some kind of highlanders

    Gedrosia 20.27 Pct
    Siberian 0.43 Pct
    Northwest_African -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Atlantic_Med 7.08 Pct
    North_European 17.60 Pct
    South_Asian 1.59 Pct
    East_African 0.06 Pct
    Southwest_Asian 5.09 Pct
    East_Asian 0.39 Pct
    Caucasus 47.48 Pct
    Sub_Saharan -

    Distance to: Liana
    4.50023333 Circassian
    4.96320461 Ossetian
    5.45705965 Ingush
    6.82762770 Kumyks
    7.19978472 Karachay
    7.26558325 Balkar
    7.61148474 Chechen
    8.96039620 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    10.14702419 Abkhazian
    11.81879435 Udi_Azerbaijan

    Target: Liana
    Distance: 1.9145% / 1.91449916 | ADC: 0.25x
    50.4 Chechen
    18.8 Abkhazian
    18.4 Turk_Ahiska
    6.0 Circassian
    4.4 Greek
    2.0 Balkan_Gypsy


    Gedrosia 21.94 Pct
    Siberian -
    Northwest_African -
    Southeast_Asian 0.27 Pct
    Atlantic_Med 7.08 Pct
    North_European 15.62 Pct
    South_Asian 0.55 Pct
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 5.47 Pct
    East_Asian 0.15 Pct
    Caucasus 48.93 Pct
    Sub_Saharan -

    Distance to: Kh.
    5.69028119 Circassian
    6.34848013 Ossetian
    6.75974112 Ingush
    8.32046273 Kumyks
    8.45599787 Abkhazian
    9.30246741 Karachay
    9.50054209 Chechen
    9.53611556 Balkar
    9.62829684 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    9.83135291 Turk_Ahiska

    Target: Kh.
    Distance: 3.0406% / 3.04062463 | ADC: 0.5x
    59.0 Ingush
    23.2 Turk_Ahiska
    17.8 Abkhazian

    Target: Kh.
    Distance: 2.2512% / 2.25118831 | ADC: 0.25x
    49.6 Chechen
    43.4 Turk_Ahiska
    5.8 Abkhazian
    1.2 Georgian_Gurian

    * * *

    Some type of Northwest Caucasian

    Gedrosia 17.51 Pct
    Siberian 4.23 Pct
    Northwest_African -
    Southeast_Asian 0.51 Pct
    Atlantic_Med 5.67 Pct
    North_European 17.25 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 4.68 Pct
    East_Asian 1.12 Pct
    Caucasus 49.02 Pct
    Sub_Saharan -

    Distance to: Yelena
    2.35346553 Ossetian
    2.73654892 Circassian
    5.60675485 Kumyks
    5.91892727 Balkar
    6.14770689 Karachay
    6.96239183 Ingush
    8.95866620 Abkhazian
    9.34285288 Chechen
    11.12320547 North_Ossetians
    11.63539858 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

    Target: Yelena
    Distance: 1.9623% / 1.96231999 | ADC: 0.5x
    96.6 Ossetian
    1.8 Georgian_Gurian
    1.6 Samaritians

    Target: Yelena
    Distance: 1.5451% / 1.54512733 | ADC: 0.25x
    86.4 Ossetian
    6.2 Georgian_Gurian
    3.2 North_Ossetians
    2.4 Samaritians
    1.4 Bulgarians
    0.4 Selkup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thracian View Post
    Target: Thracian
    Distance: 670.2118% / 6.70211839 | ADC: 0.25x
    76.2 Paleo-Balkan
    19.8 Turkic_Oghuz
    4.0 Slavic

    With Kipchaks

    Target: Thracian
    Distance: 660.9455% / 6.60945481 | ADC: 0.25x
    75.4 Paleo-Balkan
    17.0 Turkic_Kipchak
    4.0 Turkic_Oghuz
    3.6 Slavic

    Who are Paleo-Balkan 2? And also interestingly your mother scores some Turkic as well (around 1/8). Is that possible?
    Paleo Balkan 2 is Slavic extracted version of modern Vlach. (from Macedonia)

    Well, it may be a glitch of the phased kit or could be legit as well. Unfortunately, I can't say surely until test my mother. Both options seems possible tbh.

    If we go with genealogy, that's all I know:

    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Paleo Balkan 2 is Slavic extracted version of modern Vlach. (from Macedonia)

    Well, it may be a glitch of the phased kit or could be legit as well. Unfortunately, I can't say surely until test my mother. Both options seems possible tbh.

    If we go with genealogy, that's all I know:

    According to this one, 1/8 Turkic ancestry looks possible but as you mentioned a DNA test can clarify it. I hope, you will get the chance to take a test for your mother as well. That would be very interesting to see her results.

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    Iranian result (50% Azerbaijani from Urmia + 50% Tat from Qazvin province):

    Gedrosian: 21.14
    Siberian: 3.48
    Northwest_African: 1.38
    Southeast_Asian: 0.00
    Atlantic_Med: 10.03
    North_European: 8.89
    South_Asian 4.97
    East_African 1.01
    Southwest_Asian: 12.47
    East_Asian: 0.45
    Caucasian: 35.49
    SSA: 0.00

    Distance to: Urmia/Takestan
    5.25806999 Azerbaijani
    5.53018987 Azerbaijani_Iran
    6.02420119 Turk_Southeast
    6.56620895 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    6.79015464 Kurd_Kurmanji
    7.58364688 Kurd_Sorani
    7.78760554 Turkmen_Iraq
    8.50411665 Zaza
    8.87653085 Turk_South
    8.88563447 Iranian_Fars
    9.12322860 Turk_Central_East
    9.36827092 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    9.85841772 Turk_Central_West
    9.86299650 Iran_Khorasan
    9.86586540 Turk_Anatolia
    10.32331342 Lur_Iran
    10.73127206 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
    10.80138417 Iranian
    11.55731370 Turk_Southwest
    11.69616176 Turk_East
    11.74518199 Turk_West_BlackSea
    11.79781759 Kurd_KAZ
    11.89698701 Udi_Azerbaijan
    12.47881004 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    12.88814572 Yoruk

    Target: Urmia/Takestan
    Distance: 1.6724% / 1.67243520 | ADC: 0.25x
    38.6 Turk_Southeast
    35.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
    17.0 Parsi_India
    4.4 Turk_Macedonia
    1.8 Italy_Sicily
    1.8 Selkup

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