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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    The East Iranics in Central Asia must've had a lot of that before the Turkic conquest, probably close to what many Afghans have now because Mongols don't have much South Asian.
    Gedrosia 18.88 Pct
    Siberian 24.88 Pct
    Northwest_African -
    Southeast_Asian 2.10 Pct
    Atlantic_Med 3.41 Pct
    North_European 13.24 Pct
    South_Asian 2.83 Pct
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian -
    East_Asian 22.84 Pct
    Caucasus 11.34 Pct
    Sub_Saharan 0.49 Pct

    Gedrosia 16.69 Pct
    Siberian 17.85 Pct
    Northwest_African -
    Southeast_Asian 1.38 Pct
    Atlantic_Med 5.69 Pct
    North_European 17.11 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian -
    East_Asian 27.18 Pct
    Caucasus 13.26 Pct
    Sub_Saharan 0.83 Pct

    It could true, but it seems they had nearly the same Gedrosia. Also Karluks were a bit more European. Honestly i don’t know it is good to compare them with Uighurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bender1999 View Post
    It could true, but it seems they had nearly the same Gedrosia. Also Karluks were a bit more European. Honestly i don’t know it is good to compare them with Uighurs.
    Yes and Sogdians and Bactrians should have been at least 10% on average. I also wonder how swarthy they were.

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    A Caucasian Central Asian monk, possibly an Indo-European Sogdian or Tocharian, teaching an East Asian monk, perhaps a Turkic Uyghur or Chinese, on a 9th-century AD fresco from the Bezeklik Thousand Buddha Caves near Turfan, Xinjiang, China. A detail from Praņidhi scene no. 5 in Temple no. 9.

    Most modern Tajiks do not look like the guy on the left, they are darker than an average Turk of Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    It sort of correlates with the level of Mongoloid. Kyrgyz and Kazakhs normally have half the amount Uzbeks have.
    Hazara have the most and higher East Eurasian. Obviously because they live to the south but I just wanted to point out it's not a correlation in all cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Yes and Sogdians and Bactrians should have been at least 10% on average. I also wonder how swarthy they were.

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    Most modern Tajiks do not look like the guy on the left, they are darker than an average Turk of Turkey.
    Afghan Tadjiks maybe, but Uzbekistan and Tadjikistan Tadjiks are very diverse and have more or less the same skinn tone like Turks.
    The early IEs of nowadays Xinjiang probably looked like them, maybe a bit lighter generally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bender1999 View Post
    Afghan Tadjiks maybe, but Uzbekistan and Tadjikistan Tadjiks are very diverse and have more or less the same skinn tone like Turks.
    The early IEs of nowadays Xinjiang probably looked like them, maybe a bit lighter generally.
    No, they are darker than Turks on average and I doubt the early IE looked like them.
    Anyway, this is a rather pointless discussion. Without factual evidence it's all speculation.

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    Giresun Turk:

    Gedrosian: 14.46
    Siberian: 6.91
    Northwest_African: 0.46
    Southeast_Asian: 0.33
    Atlantic_Med: 11.27
    North_European: 10.88
    South_Asian 1.36
    East_African 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 10.42
    East_Asian: 7.69
    Caucasian: 36.23
    South_African: 0.00


    Distance to: Giresun
    3.69342659 Turk_South
    3.76418650 Turk_Southwest
    4.10554503 Turk_Anatolia
    4.46941831 Yoruk
    4.55664350 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
    5.02855844 Turk_Central_West
    5.65092028 Turk_West_BlackSea
    6.08226109 Turk_Northwest
    6.79606504 Turk_Central_East
    8.17814160 Turk_Southeast
    9.68167857 Azerbaijani
    9.80674768 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    11.36563241 Azerbaijani_Iran
    13.59073949 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
    13.62049926 Turk_East
    14.68858060 Turkmen_Iraq
    14.75797073 Karachay
    14.96386314 Kurd_Kurmanji
    15.34541300 Turkmen_Iran
    15.46831600 Zaza
    15.94553543 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    15.97118969 Udi_Azerbaijan
    16.24767368 Balkar
    16.40297839 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
    16.40675166 Iran_Khorasan

    Target: Giresun
    Distance: 1.0681% / 1.06812498 | ADC: 0.25x
    46.8 Turk_South
    21.8 Turk_Southwest
    17.2 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
    8.6 Yoruk
    3.2 Nogais
    1.8 Daur
    0.6 Mongol

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    Assyrian from Turkey:

    Gedrosian: 16.63
    Siberian: 0.00
    Northwest_African: 0.42
    Southeast_Asian: 1.01
    Atlantic_Med: 10.64
    North_European: 3.47
    South_Asian 0.00
    East_African 1.79
    Southwest_Asian: 19.42
    East_Asian: 0.00
    Caucasian: 46.62
    Sub-Saharan: 0.00


    Distance to: Turkish_Assyrian
    4.53423643 Assyrian
    5.18182400 Armenian_West
    5.47547258 Uzbekistan_Jews
    6.71784192 Georgia_Jews
    7.05710989 Iraq_Jews
    7.12395957 Azerbaijan_Jews
    7.33517553 Iranian_Jews
    7.52362280 Armenian_East
    8.39458754 Nusayri_Turkey
    9.02641125 Turk_East
    10.00808173 Druze
    10.01173312 Lebanese
    10.46283900 Udi_Azerbaijan
    11.01012716 Turkmen_Iraq
    11.12701667 Greek_Pontus
    11.51369619 Greek_Cappadocia
    11.57982297 Zaza
    11.79634689 Turk_East_Black_Sea
    12.67178362 Turk_Southeast
    12.76455640 Kurd_Kurmanji
    13.01948540 Kurd_Sorani
    13.16325568 Syrians
    13.20559730 Turk_Central_East
    13.30109770 Hemshin
    13.36752034 Azerbaijani_Turkey

    Target: Turkish_Assyrian
    Distance: 1.3676% / 1.36758825 | ADC: 0.25x
    44.6 Armenian_West
    15.6 Syrians
    14.0 Assyrian
    13.8 Uzbekistan_Jews
    9.6 Georgia_Jews
    1.2 Lebanese


    Turk from Sereflikochisa (Ankara):


    Gedrosian: 18.18
    Siberian: 5.23
    Northwest_African: 2.48
    Southeast_Asian: 0.33
    Atlantic_Med: 11.58
    North_European: 8.32
    South_Asian 1.89
    East_African 0.00
    Southwest_Asian: 10.85
    East_Asian: 4.79
    Caucasian: 36.45
    Sub-Saharan: 0.00


    Distance to: Turk_Seref
    3.80519382 Turk_South
    4.64754774 Turk_Southeast
    4.95144423 Turk_Anatolia
    5.28043559 Turk_Central_East
    5.37050277 Turk_Central_West
    5.42288669 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
    5.76173585 Azerbaijani
    6.01933551 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    6.67340992 Turk_Southwest
    6.94130391 Azerbaijani_Iran
    7.42757026 Yoruk
    7.64643708 Turk_West_BlackSea
    9.25927643 Turk_Northwest
    10.08930622 Kurd_Kurmanji
    10.19250215 Turkmen_Iraq
    10.82927052 Turk_East
    10.95900087 Zaza
    11.77530467 Kurd_Sorani
    12.18466249 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    12.57638263 Udi_Azerbaijan
    13.25079620 Iran_Khorasan
    13.85133929 Iranian_Fars
    14.04060540 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    14.16344238 Lur_Iran
    14.43989612 Iranian

    Target: Turk_Seref
    Distance: 1.3393% / 1.33933589 | ADC: 0.25x
    48.2 Turk_South
    20.2 Yoruk
    16.4 Azerbaijani_Iran
    10.0 Lur_Iran
    2.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    1.4 Sardinian

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    "European" admixture in West Asia + Central Asia (according to Dodecadk12b):


    Anyone has data on Pakistan (Punjabis)?
    Last edited by Kyp; 09-07-2020 at 04:45 PM.

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