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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_European 26.45
    2 Caucasus 15.84
    3 East_Asian 13.73
    4 Atlantic_Med 13.25
    5 Siberian 10.54
    6 Gedrosia 10.02
    7 Southwest_Asian 4.93
    8 Southeast_Asian 2.76
    9 South_Asian 2.47


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    Least-squares method.
    
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 3,674765
    2 Uzbek @ 16,552942
    3 Bashkir @ 17,951563
    4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 18,823133
    5 Turk_Bulgaria @ 19,924206
    6 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 22,350217
    7 Karakalpak @ 22,789766
    8 Turk_Greece @ 22,85039
    9 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 24,003518
    10 R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 24,05332
    11 Turk_Northwest @ 24,163211
    12 HUN_Szekely @ 24,439665
    13 Nogais @ 24,627657
    14 R,Moldova_South @ 24,758466
    15 Pomak @ 24,852894
    16 Gagauz @ 24,985304
    17 Yoruk @ 25,1747
    18 Tatar_Kazan @ 25,611303
    19 Turk_Macedonia @ 25,661716
    20 Macedonian @ 25,871137
    21 Montenegrin @ 26,274532
    22 Serb @ 26,588292
    23 Turkmen_Iran @ 26,606642
    24 Turk_Southwest @ 26,655733
    25 Romanians @ 26,865109
    26 Bulgarian @ 26,904322
    27 Uygur @ 26,929668
    28 Yagnobi @ 26,981386
    29 Udmurt @ 27,297922
    30 Uzbeks @ 27,321441
    335 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 3,674765
    2 Bosnian+Hazara @ 4,334658
    3 Karakalpak+Pomak @ 4,411442
    4 Croat+Hazara @ 4,611563
    5 Serb+Uygur @ 4,713288
    6 Karakalpak+Serb @ 4,723208
    7 Hazara+Serb @ 4,798805
    8 Karakalpak+Macedonian @ 4,808524
    9 Karakalpak+Montenegrin @ 4,818185
    10 HUN_Szekely+Karakalpak @ 5,00718
    11 HUN_Szekely+Uygur @ 5,022365
    12 Bosnian+Uygur @ 5,048313
    13 Karakalpak+R,Moldova_South @ 5,119973
    14 Bosnian+Karakalpak @ 5,220394
    15 Montenegrin+Uygur @ 5,263697
    16 Karakalpak+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 5,345936
    17 Croat+Uygur @ 5,419299
    18 Karakalpak+Turk_Bulgaria @ 5,526908
    19 Gagauz+Karakalpak @ 5,57735
    20 Hazara+HUN_Szekely @ 5,620174
    21 Karakalpak+Romanians @ 5,674944
    22 Hazara+Montenegrin @ 5,831917
    23 Hazara+Hungarians @ 5,847359
    24 Croat+Karakalpak @ 5,933184
    25 Macedonian+Uygur @ 5,935137
    26 Hazara+Slovenian @ 5,96677
    27 Pomak+Uygur @ 5,984469
    28 Hazara+Romanians @ 6,11286
    29 Kazakh+Pomak @ 6,117031
    30 Bulgarian+Karakalpak @ 6,16225
    56280 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% HUN_Szekely +25% Uzbek @ 2,468009
    2 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Bosnian +25% Hazara @ 2,475751
    3 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Croat +25% Hazara @ 2,488141
    4 50% Slovak +25% Iran_Mazandaran +25% Oroqen @ 2,587844
    5 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Bosnian +25% Uygur @ 2,617389
    6 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Serb +25% Uygur @ 2,64804
    7 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Croat +25% Uygur @ 2,695134
    8 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Hazara +25% Slovenian @ 2,853792
    9 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Hazara +25% Serb @ 2,857997
    10 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Hazara +25% Hungarians @ 2,869278
    11 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Bosnian +25% Uzbek @ 2,913295
    12 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% HUN_Szekely +25% Uygur @ 2,981198
    13 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Serb +25% Uzbek @ 2,985043
    14 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Croat +25% Uzbek @ 3,002717
    15 50% Karakalpak +25% PL_Warmia-Masuria +25% Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,008259
    16 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Montenegrin +25% Uygur @ 3,012822
    17 50% Slovak +25% Lur_Iran +25% Oroqen @ 3,014034
    18 50% Turk_Bulgaria +25% Bashkir +25% Uygur @ 3,021174
    19 50% Slovak +25% Iranian +25% Oroqen @ 3,063506
    20 50% Karakalpak +25% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% PL_Warmia-Masuria @ 3,073693
    21 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Slovenian +25% Uygur @ 3,080783
    22 50% Serb +25% Hazara +25% Karakalpak @ 3,096512
    23 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Karakalpak +25% Serb @ 3,099408
    24 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Bosnian +25% Karakalpak @ 3,140589
    25 50% Karakalpak +25% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% PL_GreaterPoland @ 3,149381
    26 50% Bosnian +25% Hazara +25% Karakalpak @ 3,152881
    27 50% Karakalpak +25% PL_Warmia-Masuria +25% Turk_Central_West @ 3,165328
    28 50% Karakalpak +25% Swedish +25% Turk_Central_East @ 3,165938
    29 50% Karakalpak +25% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,166734
    30 50% Karakalpak +25% Swedish +25% Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,197781
    11635866 iterations.
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Greek_Crete+Karakalpak+Uygur+Finnish_West @ 1,67849
    2 Hazara+Italy_Campania+Karakalpak+Lithuanian @ 1,782518
    3 Hazara+Karakalpak+Lithuanian+MD_Jewish @ 1,879023
    4 Ashkenazi_Jews+Hazara+Karakalpak+Lithuanian @ 1,887462
    5 Hazara+Italy_Calabria+Karakalpak+Latvian @ 1,914073
    6 Ashkenazi_Jews+Hazara+Karakalpak+Latvian @ 1,920876
    7 Greek_Crete+Hazara+Karakalpak+Estonian @ 1,927942
    8 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turk_Bulgaria+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Ukrainian @ 1,935293
    9 Greek_Crete+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Uzbek+Estonian @ 1,941082
    10 Greek_Crete+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Finnish_West @ 1,94715
    11 Italy_Marche+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Mordovian @ 1,949347
    12 Hazara+Italy_Sicily+Karakalpak+Lithuanian @ 1,955976
    13 Greek_Crete+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Estonian @ 1,956119
    14 Hazara+Italy_Campania+Karakalpak+Latvian @ 1,966726
    15 Hazara+Italy_Apulia+Karakalpak+Lithuanian @ 1,982679
    16 Italy_Calabria+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Latvian @ 1,984142
    17 Hazara+Karakalpak+Latvian+MD_Jewish @ 1,995737
    18 Hazara+Karakalpak+Estonian+MD_Jewish @ 1,998839
    19 Kyrgyz+Turk_Bulgaria+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Ukrainian @ 1,999484
    20 Hazara+Italy_Calabria+Karakalpak+Lithuanian @ 2,002137
    21 Italy_Lazio+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Mordovian @ 2,003465
    22 Italy_Lazio+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Mordovian @ 2,007598
    23 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+PL_GreaterPoland+Turk_Bulgaria+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2,008323
    24 Greek_Crete+Hazara+Karakalpak+Latvian @ 2,013864
    25 Hazara+Italy_Marche+Karakalpak+Mordovian @ 2,051933
    26 Kyrgyz+PL_GreaterPoland+Turk_Bulgaria+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2,060179
    27 Italy_Calabria+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Uzbek+Latvian @ 2,073615
    28 Hazara+Italy_Abruzzo+Karakalpak+Lithuanian @ 2,074918
    29 Greek_Crete+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Uzbek+Finnish_West @ 2,075282
    30 Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Estonian+MD_Jewish @ 2,083252
    31 Greek_Crete+Karakalpak+Uygur+Estonian @ 2,100166
    32 Italy_Marche+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Uzbek+Mordovian @ 2,109322
    33 Greek_Crete+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Karelian @ 2,113178
    34 Italy_Romagna+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Mordovian @ 2,114242
    35 Ashkenazi_Jews+Hazara+Karakalpak+Estonian @ 2,119136
    36 Italy_Campania+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Latvian @ 2,144366
    37 Italy_Marche+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Mordovian @ 2,145037
    38 Hazara+Italy_Lazio+Karakalpak+Mordovian @ 2,146935
    39 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turk_Greece+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Ukrainian @ 2,14773
    40 Kyrgyz+Turk_Greece+Ukrainian+Uzbek @ 2,150344
    41 Italy_Calabria+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Karelian @ 2,152111
    42 Italy_Sicily+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Lithuanian @ 2,152781
    43 Italy_Apulia+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Karelian @ 2,153776
    44 Italy_Campania+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Karelian @ 2,155858
    45 Greek_Crete+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Uzbek+Latvian @ 2,157224
    46 Greek_Crete+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Uzbek+Karelian @ 2,160699
    47 Italy_Lazio+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Uzbek+Mordovian @ 2,164675
    48 Italy_Apulia+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Estonian @ 2,167265
    49 Kyrgyz+Slovak+Turk_Bulgaria+Uzbek @ 2,17438
    50 Hazara+Italy_Apulia+Karakalpak+Estonian @ 2,175105
    51 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Rus_Kostroma+Turk_Greece+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2,177597
    52 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Slovak+Turk_Bulgaria+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2,180301
    53 Italy_Lazio+Kyrgyz+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Mordovian @ 2,190397
    54 Italy_Romagna+Kyrgyz+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Mordovian @ 2,198508
    55 Italy_Apulia+Kyrgyz+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Karelian @ 2,199111
    56 Ashkenazi_Jews+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Latvian @ 2,199241
    57 Italy_Sicily+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Latvian @ 2,199849
    58 Italy_Campania+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Lithuanian @ 2,201983
    59 Hazara+Karakalpak+Turk_Greece+Ukrainian @ 2,206172
    60 Greek_Crete+Kyrgyz+Uzbek+Latvian @ 2,207151
    101832257 iterations.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    Iraqi Turkmens? What's the area?
    Where did you get Turkmen from, the oracles say kurd. They are 100% Kurmanji Kurds from Dohuk Iraq except for the last one which is my cousin’s who is kurmanji kurd/Turkmen mix. I have 3 other Kurmanji kurd results which I didn’t post and they all are typically 25-29% Gedrosian and 3%+ E Asian/Siberian.

    Even Halgurd is like that. The point is simply that’s that’s how kurmanji kurds from my area are and anything that someone posts as a kurdish result different from those looks a little odd for me just like the kurdish averages someone put in vahaduo. Let me know if you want me to post the other Kurmanji kurds

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    southern Armenians

    Distance to: Armenian_Syunik1
    1.53987012 Armenian_Karabakh
    2.79622960 Armenian_East
    3.56719778 Armenian_West
    4.48209772 Armenian_Iran
    4.83397352 Turk_East
    5.71149718 Udi_Azerbaijan
    5.76897738 Assyrian_North
    5.84350066 Azeri_Jew
    6.03109443 Assyrian_West
    6.27377080 Assyrian_South
    7.39818897 Georgia_Jews
    7.76786972 Turk_East_Black_Sea
    7.93894829 Greek_Pontus
    8.18399658 Turk_Ahiska
    9.03311131 Zaza
    9.07771998 Iranian_Jew
    9.18456314 Hemshin
    9.65304097 Mandean
    10.20839361 Iraqi_Jew
    10.25249726 Laz
    10.70719384 Greek_Cappadocia
    10.76994893 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    10.90787330 Kurd_Kurmanji
    11.20471329 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    11.34628133 Turkmen_Iraq


    Distance to: Armenian_Syunik2
    1.65526433 Armenian_Karabakh
    3.76581996 Armenian_East
    4.51986725 Armenian_West
    4.77171877 Armenian_Iran
    5.58227552 Azeri_Jew
    5.66316166 Assyrian_North
    5.85697874 Turk_East
    5.88979626 Udi_Azerbaijan
    6.26868407 Assyrian_West
    6.30689305 Assyrian_South
    6.34290943 Georgia_Jews
    7.97712354 Turk_Ahiska
    8.33943044 Turk_East_Black_Sea
    8.61838732 Greek_Pontus
    8.81287694 Zaza
    8.82767806 Iranian_Jew
    9.13465380 Hemshin
    9.33777811 Mandean
    10.18700152 Iraqi_Jew
    10.22987781 Laz
    10.65611092 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    10.80040740 Kurd_Kurmanji
    11.02356113 Kurd_KAZ
    11.15681406 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    11.26661440 Turkmen_Iraq


    Distance to: Armenian_Syunik3
    2.75633815 Armenian_Karabakh
    3.94693552 Armenian_East
    4.02090786 Armenian_West
    4.76034663 Turk_East
    5.62919177 Udi_Azerbaijan
    5.87711664 Assyrian_North
    6.01665189 Assyrian_West
    6.02870633 Azeri_Jew
    6.26890740 Armenian_Iran
    6.34225512 Assyrian_South
    8.52705694 Zaza
    8.78958475 Georgia_Jews
    8.97556683 Iranian_Jew
    9.04313552 Greek_Pontus
    9.05046960 Turk_East_Black_Sea
    9.44181127 Turk_Ahiska
    9.44829085 Mandean
    10.03760928 Greek_Cappadocia
    10.04322159 Iraqi_Jew
    10.28210582 Kurd_Kurmanji
    10.32582200 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    10.61559702 Turkmen_Iraq
    10.67800543 Hemshin
    10.87519195 Turk_Central_East
    10.89958256 Nusayri_Turkey


    Distance to: Armenian_Syunik4
    2.04107815 Armenian_Karabakh
    2.65652028 Armenian_East
    4.03518277 Turk_East
    4.25386883 Udi_Azerbaijan
    4.67897425 Armenian_Iran
    5.03472939 Armenian_West
    6.85558896 Azeri_Jew
    6.87078598 Assyrian_North
    7.20325621 Assyrian_West
    7.28454528 Turk_Ahiska
    7.41464767 Assyrian_South
    7.81478087 Georgia_Jews
    8.09549257 Turk_East_Black_Sea
    8.32878743 Zaza
    8.65505055 Greek_Pontus
    9.41976645 Hemshin
    9.95698750 Iranian_Jew
    10.04947760 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    10.33187785 Kurd_Kurmanji
    10.36968177 Laz
    10.45817384 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    10.49602782 Mandean
    11.05386810 Turk_Central_East
    11.06306016 Turkmen_Iraq
    11.10422442 Kurd_KAZ

    and Armenian ancestors from Naxcivan

    Gedrosia 21.54
    Siberian -
    Northwest_African 0.53
    Southeast_Asian -
    Atlantic_Med 11.11
    North_European 6.26
    South_Asian 0.63
    East_African 0.14
    Southwest_Asian 13.41
    East_Asian -
    Caucasus 46.30
    Sub_Saharan -

    Distance to: Armenian_Naxcivan
    4.03806885 Armenian_Karabakh
    4.60674505 Turk_East
    5.67029982 Armenian_East
    5.91065986 Zaza
    6.78958762 Armenian_West
    7.45157030 Azeri_Jew
    7.64767285 Assyrian_North
    7.81487044 Armenian_Iran
    7.92750276 Kurd_Kurmanji
    8.15984681 Assyrian_West
    8.19308245 Assyrian_South
    8.33833317 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    8.71142927 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    8.80580490 Kurd_KAZ
    9.07489945 Turk_Ahiska
    9.24381415 Turkmen_Iraq
    9.36900742 Azerbaijani_Iran
    9.97403629 Kurd_Sorani
    9.97968937 Iranian_Jew
    10.03257694 Azerbaijani
    10.06412440 Mandean
    10.30562953 Georgia_Jews
    10.42894530 Turk_Southeast
    10.68020599 Turk_East_Black_Sea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoro View Post
    Where did you get Turkmen from, the oracles say kurd. They are 100% Kurmanji Kurds from Dohuk Iraq except for the last one which is my cousin’s who is kurmanji kurd/Turkmen mix. I have 3 other Kurmanji kurd results which I didn’t post and they all are typically 25-29% Gedrosian and 3%+ E Asian/Siberian.

    Even Halgurd is like that. The point is simply that’s that’s how kurmanji kurds from my area are and anything that someone posts as a kurdish result different from those looks a little odd for me just like the kurdish averages someone put in vahaduo. Let me know if you want me to post the other Kurmanji kurds
    Halgurd is Kurd, you're genetically Turkmen, but you are free to identify as whatever you want of course. But showing Turkmens as Kurd is not a way to justify your Kurdishness.


    First result is half Kurdish? half Iraqi Turkmen.

    Distance to: X
    4.15974759 Kurd_Kurmanji
    4.35669600 Kurd_Sorani
    4.74711491 Turkmen_Iraq
    5.34152600 Azerbaijani_Iran
    5.45634493 Lur_Iran
    5.66655980 Zaza
    6.17682766 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    6.39313695 Iranian
    6.68299334 Kurd_KAZ
    6.86729932 Azerbaijani
    7.06001416 Iranian_Fars
    7.54831107 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    8.57278834 Turk_Southeast
    9.53346212 Iraqi_Baghdad
    10.64637027 Udi_Azerbaijan
    10.97832410 Iran_Mazandaran
    11.46640746 Turk_East
    11.50139122 Iran_Khorasan
    11.86468710 Mandean
    11.96287591 Turk_Central_East
    12.42913110 Turk_South
    12.57196882 Iranian_Jew
    12.90136039 Azeri_Jew
    13.43787558 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
    13.48345653 Azerbaijani_Dagestan


    Target: X
    Distance: 2.4225% / 2.42245816 | ADC: 0.5x
    50.0 Turkmen_Iraq
    24.8 Iranian
    19.8 Kurd_Kurmanji
    4.2 Lur_Iran
    0.6 Ket
    0.6 Nganassan

    Second result is probably a mix of Iranian and Iranian Turk.

    Distance to: X2
    5.15148522 Iranian_Fars
    7.51720693 Iran_Khorasan
    8.10663309 Lur_Iran
    8.73140309 Iranian
    9.52790638 Kurd_Sorani
    10.01324123 Iran_Mazandaran
    10.28091922 Kurd_Kurmanji
    10.39584051 Azerbaijani_Iran
    10.85730630 Turkmen_Iraq
    10.89527420 Talysh_Azerbaijan
    11.01311491 Turkmens
    11.60466286 Azerbaijani
    11.63135418 Kurd_KAZ
    12.11945956 Zaza
    12.65228833 Turkmen_Iran
    12.77878711 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    13.16083204 Parsi_India
    13.88757358 Turk_Southeast
    14.55459034 Iran_Bandari
    14.65036860 Iraqi_Baghdad
    16.11232758 Tajik_Herat
    16.22160904 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    16.71936303 Turk_South
    17.25193902 Udi_Azerbaijan
    17.37163780 Turk_Central_East


    Target: X2
    Distance: 3.8129% / 3.81292120 | ADC: 0.5x
    81.2 Iranian_Fars
    18.2 Turkmens
    0.4 Lahu
    0.2 Makrani
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
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    Where did you get Turkmen from, the oracles say kurd. They are 100% Kurmanji Kurds from Dohuk Iraq except for the last one which is my cousin’s who is kurmanji kurd/Turkmen mix. I have 3 other Kurmanji kurd results which I didn’t post and they all are typically 25-29% Gedrosian and 3%+ E Asian/Siberian.

    Even Halgurd is like that. The point is simply that’s that’s how kurmanji kurds from my area are and anything that someone posts as a kurdish result different from those looks a little odd for me just like the kurdish averages someone put in vahaduo. Let me know if you want me to post the other Kurmanji kurds
    Well there you go. The last one is Turkmen mixed. Because of your posting history here I can never be sure and that's why I asked. You once said to me you're fully Kurdish, then in another post Turkmen etc..
    To this day I don't have a clue about your actual ancestry.

    Yes scoring around 3% East Eurasian on Dodecad is common for Kurds and Iranians. But when it exceeds these number I have to think of Turkmen ancestry or Azeri ancestry in Iran. Most Kurds from Turkey and Iran I have seen had below 3% though. Even a lot of Iraqi Turkmens only score around these numbers.

    You can't tell me scoring 9% East Eurasian is normal for a Kurd with only Kurdish ancestry. I also don't care about your "Deep ancestry" stuff because this is not what these Gedmatch calculators pick up. Halgurd will agree with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Halgurd is Kurd, you're genetically Turkmen, but you are free to identify as whatever you want of course. But showing Turkmens as Kurd is not a way to justify your Kurdishness.


    First result is half Kurdish? half Iraqi Turkmen.

    No the 1st two are 100% kurmanji kurds. The problem is that you don’t have a good average for iraqi kurmanji kurds otherwise your distances would have clearly favored Iraqi kurmanji kurds. Even the original dodecad spreadsheet has better kurdish averages for our area and for iranian kurds. It was a mistake for whoever removed the original dodecad averages from vahaduo because the averages they put in there are not good for our area (maybe they’re ok for some part of turkey)

    I have a few kurmanji kurds and feyli kurds which we can create an average for both. This way Iraqi kurds will see lower distances when they run vahaduo. As for myself i’m who i am turkmen-kurd mix.

    Also, i have seen that some Iraqi turkmen and iraqi kurmanji results do overlap in some cases.

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    No the 1st two are 100% kurmanji kurds. The problem is that you don’t have a good average for iraqi kurmanji kurds otherwise your distances would have clearly favored Iraqi kurmanji kurds. Even the original dodecad spreadsheet has better kurdish averages for our area and for iranian kurds. It was a mistake for whoever removed the original dodecad averages from vahaduo because the averages they put in there are not good for our area (maybe they’re ok for some part of turkey)

    I have a few kurmanji kurds and feyli kurds which we can create an average for both. This way Iraqi kurds will see lower distances when they run vahaduo. As for myself i’m who i am turkmen-kurd mix.

    Also, i have seen that some Iraqi turkmen and iraqi kurmanji results do overlap in some cases.
    Source of K12b Kurds either Turkish or Azerbaijani DNA projects. I have seen plenty of people get accurate results with these averages tbh. Nevertheless, I'm just stating what I see.


    Anyway there is a full Iraqi Turkmen from Kerkük:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 36.47
    2 Gedrosia 21.99
    3 Southwest_Asian 15.66
    4 Atlantic_Med 9.03
    5 North_European 6.37
    6 Siberian 3.33
    7 South_Asian 2.72
    8 East_Asian 2.08
    9 East_African 1.21
    10 Southeast_Asian 0.71
    11 Northwest_African 0.4
    12 Sub_Saharan 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kurd (Dodecad) 8.35
    2 Iranian (Dodecad) 8.77
    3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 9.14
    4 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.65
    5 Iranians (Behar) 9.67
    6 Turks (Behar) 12.07
    7 Turkish (Dodecad) 13.95
    8 Lebanese (Behar) 15.23
    9 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.25
    10 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.57
    11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.88
    12 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 16.04
    13 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 16.06
    14 Assyrian (Dodecad) 16.32
    15 Syrians (Behar) 16.62
    16 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 18.41
    17 Armenian (Dodecad) 18.89
    18 Jordanians (Behar) 18.97
    19 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 19.65
    20 Druze (HGDP) 19.72

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 63.2% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 36.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.04
    2 51.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 48.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.65
    3 58.2% Druze (HGDP) + 41.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.73
    4 50% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 50% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.93
    5 75.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 24.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.02
    6 62.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 37.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.07
    7 56.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.2% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.08
    8 52.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 47.7% Syrians (Behar) @ 4.27
    9 64.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 35.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.28
    10 74.7% Iranians (Behar) + 25.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 4.58
    11 74.1% Iranians (Behar) + 25.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 4.63
    12 77% Iranian (Dodecad) + 23% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 4.83
    13 63.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 36.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.85
    14 81.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 18.7% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.86
    15 50.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 49.4% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 4.87
    16 64.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 35.5% Samaritians (Behar) @ 4.88
    17 68.6% Iranian (Dodecad) + 31.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 4.89
    18 83.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 16.4% Hazara (HGDP) @ 4.95
    19 71.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 28.2% Jordanians (Behar) @ 5.04
    20 76% Iranian (Dodecad) + 24% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.06


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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turkmen_Iraq @ 3,827684
    2 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 4,994616
    3 Kurd_Sorani @ 5,088668
    4 Kurd_Kurmanji @ 5,183563
    5 Azerbaijani @ 5,396579
    6 Turk_Southeast @ 5,776591
    7 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 6,660827
    8 Zaza @ 6,847097
    9 Lur_Iran @ 7,93216
    10 Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 8,270138
    11 Iranian @ 9,376979
    12 Kurd_KAZ @ 9,591617
    13 Turk_Central_East @ 9,79781
    14 Turk_South @ 9,980488
    15 Uzbekistan_Jews @ 10,454612
    16 Turk_East @ 11,116207
    17 Turk_Central_West @ 11,223181
    18 Udi_Azerbaijan @ 11,233965
    19 Turk_Anatolia @ 11,290788
    20 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 11,401392
    21 Turk_Southwest @ 13,506148
    22 Iran_Mazandaran @ 13,708564
    23 Turk_West_BlackSea @ 13,746668
    24 Assyrian @ 14,297848
    25 Azerbaijani_Dagestan @ 14,476206
    26 Yoruk @ 14,676357
    27 Armenian_West @ 15,278444
    28 Nusayri_Turkey @ 15,366653
    29 Turk_Northwest @ 15,755997
    30 Turkmen_Iran @ 15,851604
    335 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 Kurd_Sorani+Turk_Southeast @ 3,090164
    2 Lur_Iran+Turk_Southeast @ 3,22117
    3 Azerbaijani+Turkmen_Iraq @ 3,318759
    4 Azerbaijani_Iran+Turkmen_Iraq @ 3,410706
    5 Turk_Southeast+Turkmen_Iraq @ 3,431025
    6 Lur_Iran+Turk_South @ 3,705758
    7 Azerbaijani+Kurd_Sorani @ 3,727805
    8 Turkmen_Iraq+Turkmen_Iraq @ 3,827684
    9 Iraq_Jews+Turkmens @ 3,84073
    10 Lur_Iran+Turk_Central_West @ 3,898774
    11 Iraq_Jews+Turkmen_Iran @ 3,910542
    12 Kurd_Kurmanji+Turk_Southeast @ 3,92342
    13 Assyrian+Turkmen_Iran @ 3,967607
    14 Azerbaijani_Turkey+Turkmen_Iraq @ 3,977769
    15 Kurd_Kurmanji+Turkmen_Iraq @ 4,010424
    16 Azerbaijani_Iran+Kurd_Sorani @ 4,051814
    17 Lur_Iran+Turk_Anatolia @ 4,055572
    18 Kurd_Sorani+Turk_South @ 4,128627
    19 Kurd_Sorani+Turkmen_Iraq @ 4,147429
    20 Azerbaijani_Turkey+Kurd_Sorani @ 4,265316
    21 Iranian+Turk_Southeast @ 4,31654
    22 Lur_Iran+Turk_Central_East @ 4,35756
    23 Nusayri_Turkey+Turkmens @ 4,357648
    24 Azerbaijani+Kurd_Kurmanji @ 4,472823
    25 Lur_Iran+Turk_Southwest @ 4,484466
    26 Lebanese+Turkmens @ 4,493798
    27 Azerbaijani+Lur_Iran @ 4,548957
    28 Assyrian+Turkmens @ 4,616078
    29 Kurd_Sorani+Turk_Central_East @ 4,63312
    30 Azerbaijani_Iran+Kurd_Kurmanji @ 4,652538
    56280 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kurd_Kurmanji +25% Syrians +25% Turkmens @ 1,715646
    2 50% Kurd_Kurmanji +25% Syrians +25% Turkmen_Iran @ 2,12231
    3 50% Zaza +25% Syrians +25% Turkmens @ 2,125582
    4 50% Zaza +25% Syrians +25% Turkmen_Iran @ 2,397797
    5 50% Iranian +25% Syrians +25% Yoruk @ 2,440393
    6 50% Kurd_Sorani +25% Nusayri_Turkey +25% Turkmens @ 2,510246
    7 50% Kurd_Kurmanji +25% Jordanians +25% Turkmens @ 2,515449
    8 50% Turkmen_Iraq +25% Nusayri_Turkey +25% Turkmens @ 2,518644
    9 50% Turkmen_Iraq +25% Iraq_Jews +25% Tajik_Tajikistan @ 2,572002
    10 50% Kurd_Sorani +25% Nusayri_Turkey +25% Turkmen_Iran @ 2,57833
    11 50% Turkmen_Iraq +25% Lur_Iran +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,592278
    12 50% Turk_Southeast +25% Iraq_Jews +25% Tajik_Herat @ 2,627548
    13 50% Turkmens +25% Assyrian +25% Syrians @ 2,63671
    14 50% Kurd_Sorani +25% Syrians +25% Turkmens @ 2,656856
    15 50% Kurd_KAZ +25% Syrians +25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2,660444
    16 50% Turkmen_Iraq +25% Lur_Iran +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,67936
    17 50% Kurd_Kurmanji +25% Lebanese +25% Turkmens @ 2,679913
    18 50% Turkmen_Iraq +25% Syrians +25% Turkmens @ 2,682005
    19 50% Azerbaijani_Iran +25% Syrians +25% Turkmens @ 2,688335
    20 50% Zaza +25% Jordanians +25% Turkmens @ 2,70511
    21 50% Turkmen_Iraq +25% Druze +25% Tajiks @ 2,707781
    22 50% Iraq_Jews +25% Tajiks +25% Turk_Southeast @ 2,71386
    23 50% Iranian +25% Syrians +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,714923
    24 50% Turkmens +25% Armenian_West +25% Syrians @ 2,715458
    25 50% Lur_Iran +25% Turk_Northwest +25% Turkmen_Iraq @ 2,723935
    26 50% Iranian +25% Syrians +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,744771
    27 50% Turk_Southeast +25% Iranian_Jews +25% Tajik_Herat @ 2,745915
    28 50% Turkmen_Iraq +25% Turkmen_Iran +25% Uzbekistan_Jews @ 2,748922
    29 50% Kurd_Sorani +25% Lebanese +25% Turkmens @ 2,752538
    30 50% Lur_Iran +25% Syrians +25% Turkmen_Iran @ 2,7558
    7929301 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Kurd_Kurmanji+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmens @ 1,715646
    2 Iranian+Syrians+Turk_Southeast+Turkmens @ 1,77625
    3 Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmens+Zaza @ 1,838461
    4 Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turk_Southeast+Turkmens @ 1,850297
    5 Kurd_KAZ+Syrians+Turk_Southeast+Turkmens @ 1,900041
    6 Azerbaijani_Turkey+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turkmens @ 1,951224
    7 Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmen_Iraq+Turkmens @ 1,974617
    8 Azerbaijani_Iran+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,004964
    9 Syrians+Turkmen_Iraq+Turkmens+Zaza @ 2,008923
    10 Azerbaijani+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,012336
    11 Iranian+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran @ 2,01777
    12 Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran+Zaza @ 2,024736
    13 Assyrian+Iranian+Syrians+Tajik_Tajikistan @ 2,039535
    14 Kurd_Kurmanji+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran @ 2,040747
    15 Iranian+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran+Turkmen_Iraq @ 2,053423
    16 Kurd_Kurmanji+Kurd_Sorani+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,076223
    17 Kurd_Sorani+Syrians+Turkmens+Zaza @ 2,077316
    18 Iranian+Syrians+Turkmen_Iraq+Turkmens @ 2,080884
    19 Azerbaijan_Jews+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Tajiks @ 2,082465
    20 Azerbaijani_Iran+Syrians+Turkmens+Zaza @ 2,084851
    21 Iranian+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran+Zaza @ 2,090524
    22 Armenian_West+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Tajiks @ 2,099074
    23 Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turk_Central_East+Turkmens @ 2,101824
    24 Azerbaijani_Iran+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,120106
    25 Kurd_Kurmanji+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran @ 2,12231
    26 Assyrian+Syrians+Tajiks+Zaza @ 2,123367
    27 Syrians+Talysh_Azerbaijan+Turkmen_Iraq+Turkmens @ 2,125306
    28 Syrians+Turkmens+Zaza+Zaza @ 2,125582
    29 Azerbaijan_Jews+Syrians+Tajiks+Turkmen_Iraq @ 2,135613
    30 Assyrian+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Tajik_Tajikistan @ 2,136247
    31 Azerbaijani+Kurd_KAZ+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,143079
    32 Kurd_KAZ+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran @ 2,150193
    33 Azerbaijani_Turkey+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,169598
    34 Kurd_Kurmanji+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,171771
    35 Azerbaijani+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,17398
    36 Assyrian+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Tajiks @ 2,17602
    37 Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran+Zaza @ 2,185402
    38 Azerbaijani_Turkey+Kurd_Sorani+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,185519
    39 Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Talysh_Azerbaijan+Turkmens @ 2,192266
    40 Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turkmens+Zaza @ 2,194587
    41 Iranian+Syrians+Turk_Central_East+Turkmens @ 2,203841
    42 Azerbaijani+Iranian+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,210708
    43 Azerbaijani_Iran+Kurd_Sorani+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,211837
    44 Azerbaijan_Jews+Azerbaijani_Iran+Syrians+Tajiks @ 2,22259
    45 Azerbaijani_Turkey+Iranian+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,230605
    46 Azerbaijani+Syrians+Turkmens+Zaza @ 2,232045
    47 Azerbaijani_Iran+Kurd_KAZ+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,234044
    48 Iranian+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,248194
    49 Iraq_Jews+Lur_Iran+Nusayri_Turkey+Tajiks @ 2,249795
    50 Azerbaijani_Turkey+Kurd_KAZ+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,255388
    51 Kurd_KAZ+Syrians+Turkmen_Iraq+Turkmens @ 2,259478
    52 Assyrian+Azerbaijani_Turkey+Syrians+Tajiks @ 2,263947
    53 Azerbaijani_Turkey+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran @ 2,26582
    54 Assyrian+Azerbaijani_Iran+Syrians+Tajiks @ 2,271649
    55 Armenian_West+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Tajik_Tajikistan @ 2,271901
    56 Azerbaijani_Iran+Lur_Iran+Syrians+Turkmen_Iran @ 2,272861
    57 Azerbaijani_Iran+Syrians+Turkmen_Iraq+Turkmens @ 2,27348
    58 Kurd_KAZ+Kurd_Kurmanji+Syrians+Turkmens @ 2,281012
    59 Azerbaijan_Jews+Syrians+Tajiks+Zaza @ 2,299716
    60 Iraq_Jews+Tajik_Herat+Turk_Southeast+Turkmen_Iraq @ 2,307057
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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 34.57
    2 Atlantic_Med 19.06
    3 Southwest_Asian 17.82
    4 Gedrosia 8.41
    5 North_European 7.82
    6 East_African 4.38
    7 Northwest_African 3.46
    8 Sub_Saharan 2.48
    9 South_Asian 1.65
    10 Southeast_Asian 0.32
    11 East_Asian 0.05

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 10.08
    2 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 11.3
    3 Lebanese (Behar) 11.88
    4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 12.25
    5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 12.39
    6 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.35
    7 Syrians (Behar) 13.74
    8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.87
    9 Jordanians (Behar) 14.38
    10 Cypriots (Behar) 14.97
    11 Palestinian (HGDP) 16.29
    12 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.63
    13 Druze (HGDP) 17.34
    14 Greek (Dodecad) 17.92
    15 Turks (Behar) 17.99
    16 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 19.18
    17 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.36
    18 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 20.42
    19 Egyptans (Behar) 20.91
    20 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 21.86

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.3% Jordanians (Behar) + 38.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.42
    2 63.1% Jordanians (Behar) + 36.9% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 3.79
    3 64.1% Jordanians (Behar) + 35.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.93
    4 59.1% Jordanians (Behar) + 40.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.93
    5 68.6% Jordanians (Behar) + 31.4% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 4.06
    6 77.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 22.1% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 4.26
    7 78% Lebanese (Behar) + 22% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 4.33
    8 80.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 19.6% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 4.38
    9 77.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 22.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 4.41
    10 67.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.7% Yemenese (Behar) @ 4.42
    11 69.6% Jordanians (Behar) + 30.4% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 4.42
    12 79.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 20.9% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 4.43
    13 79.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 20.1% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 4.45
    14 78.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 21.9% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 4.48
    15 58.4% Palestinian (HGDP) + 41.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 4.49
    16 79.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 20.4% Spaniards (Behar) @ 4.49
    17 79.7% Lebanese (Behar) + 20.3% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 4.51
    18 80.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 19.6% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 4.53
    19 73.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 26.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 4.55
    20 80.7% Lebanese (Behar) + 19.3% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 4.58

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    Turkish Cypriot

    Admix Results (sorted):

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    1 Caucasus 34.57
    2 Atlantic_Med 19.06
    3 Southwest_Asian 17.82
    4 Gedrosia 8.41
    5 North_European 7.82
    6 East_African 4.38
    7 Northwest_African 3.46
    8 Sub_Saharan 2.48
    9 South_Asian 1.65
    10 Southeast_Asian 0.32
    11 East_Asian 0.05
    To be honest, no doubt that is a Cypriotic Turk, but i don’t think that those results represent all. It is well documented that many Yörüks from Taurus mountains were deported to Cyprus? So idk whether they reached the island, died or leaved it before they left any traces. This person has no Turkic input, just native Cypriot.

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