Southern Italians have no ancient Greek ancestry

[Leto]

TUR_Alalakh is not fully Middle Eastern?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

It's about the same and both are only slightly above 10%. Main components are Anatolian and Italo-Celtic. Moreover using a southern less Kavkaz shifted Anatolian source completely eliminates the Levantine admixture. That doesn't work for truly semitic admixed populations like the Jews.

I doubt Apulians represent the average south Italian. However the Levantine component does not go away and the models can easily be used to support the most disparate theories and hardly make "sense".

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 0.9102% / 0.00910212
27.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
20.0 FRA_IA
19.6 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
19.0 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
12.0 Germanic
1.6 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 0.7519% / 0.00751854
30.8 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
23.0 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
21.8 FRA_IA
11.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
9.8 Germanic
2.6 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.4 Levant_Sidon_MBA

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 0.8138% / 0.00813786
30.6 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
21.0 Germanic
16.8 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
15.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
13.4 Italic
3.0 Iberia_Central_CA_Afr

TUR_Alalakh is not fully Middle Eastern?

TUR_Alalakh_MLBA = 41.6% EEF, 27.4% Iran_Neo, 20.8% Natufian, 10.2% CHG
SYR_Ebla_EMBA = 38% EEF, 25.2% Natufian, 24.8% Iran_Neo, 12% CHG
Levant_Sidon_MBA = 33.2 EEF, 33% Natufian, 24.4% Iran_Neo, 9.4% CHG
Levant_Megiddo_MLBA = 33.2% Natufian, 32.6% EEF, 25.4% Iran_Neo, 8.8% CHG

[Leto]

I asked about the Alalakh because if it's Middle Eastern then Jews are supposed to be nearly 60% and not 50% as they're commonly thought to be.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I asked about the Alalakh because if it's Middle Eastern then Jews are supposed to be nearly 60% and not 50% as they're commonly thought to be.

It is called overfitting. The average Ashkenazi will be about 34% "Jewish", not more.

[Leto]

It is called overfitting. The average Ashkenazi will be about 34% "Jewish", not more.

No way. They're at least half Levantine. And German Jews score around 40% East Med. No ethnic European can be that much.

[Tacitus]

Impossible to make a definitive statement either way without ancient samples from the southern Italian mainland (Gaudo, Laterza, Appenine cultures) as well as Greek samples from Magna Grecia. Otherwise we're all just talking out of our asses.

All I'm going to add is that going by the literature we have *so far,* there was an important Anatolian/Caucasus input that possibly occurred sometime at the start of the Bronze Age, in addition to whatever impact Classical-era Greeks may or may not have had. The former may have been more significant than the latter.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

No way. They're at least half Levantine. And German Jews score around 40% East Med. No ethnic European can be that much.

Lol, what is "East Med"? A 2012 calculator will be good for detecting variation in modern-day Europeans, certainly not for establishing how Jewish Jews are. I am taking into consideration the autosomal DNA of the Israelites, not of other Levantines. And to be at least 50% Israelites, they should have at least 30% Levant_PPNB, but they actually have about 35% of what Megiddo_MLBA has.

Ashkenazi
35.0 TUR_Barcin_N
24.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.8 Levant_PPNB
10.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
4.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 MAR_Taforalt
1.2 Han
1.0 WHG

Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
58.8 Levant_PPNB
29.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
11.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Impossible to make a definitive statement either way without ancient samples from the southern Italian mainland (Gaudo, Laterza, Appenine cultures) as well as Greek samples from Magna Grecia. Otherwise we're all just talking out of our asses.

We are.

[Deusex99]

Italian Campania is not representative. The study who published those samples states in the supplementary information that it has not checked the ancestry and the birthplace of those samples. We have Campanians on GEDMatch and they are identical to Apulians.

I've seen hundreds of GEDmatch samples and Apulians are perfectly average.

[Deusex99]

Impossible to make a definitive statement either way without ancient samples from the southern Italian mainland (Gaudo, Laterza, Appenine cultures) as well as Greek samples from Magna Grecia. Otherwise we're all just talking out of our asses.

All I'm going to add is that going by the literature we have *so far,* there was an important Anatolian/Caucasus input that possibly occurred sometime at the start of the Bronze Age, in addition to whatever impact Classical-era Greeks may or may not have had. The former may have been more significant than the latter.

Dude, you are talking with a complexed Mexican mestizo who use unreliable not fully native samples to push the agenda that Europeans are heavily mixed to cope with his own mixed ancestry.