Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

**Dr_Maul** · 10-08-2020, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bender1999

Yes thats true. I often see them as different subgroup than to Azerbaijanis and Turkmens, but also often see that Turkmens and Kizilbas described as Chorasan Turk. Information about them are rare, i can’t read Persians(if there exist sources about them in Iran) and i don’t know whether i could find books about them in Turkey. Tribes in Turkey regardless of ethnicity are well explored, even those who migrated to Iran, but i don’t know if i would find information about them. Even if i would find, i must scrutinise the authenticity of the sources, some historians are idiotic.

To be honest, I wouldn't hold your breath on finding reliable sources for Khorasan Turks. Iran barely has reliable sources for groups migrating around the 18th century, forget about one from 250 years before that...

Bender1999 · 10-08-2020, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

To be honest, I wouldn't hold your breath on finding reliable sources for Khorasan Turks. Iran barely has reliable sources for groups migrating around the 18th century, forget about one from 250 years before that...

I think there are maybe sources, but in archives and not for „ hobby historians“ like us. Aren’t Iranian well known for bureacracy, they definitely had some sources. I don’t know about historians in Iran, but i doubt there are any Turkish historian who follows up with them, although i know some who would make a good job regarding this topic.

**Dr_Maul** · 10-08-2020, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Bender1999

I think there are maybe sources, but in archives and not for „ hobby historians“ like us. Aren’t Iranian well known for bureacracy, they definitely had some sources. I don’t know about historians in Iran, but i doubt there are any Turkish historian who follows up with them, although i know some who would make a good job regarding this topic.

The main issue to be honest is the documentation, sure there might be history regarding origin or something but they don't really document the movements after that, it is just not part of the culture. Ottoman/Turkey would be different because the entire nation was Turkish so they would benefit from documenting all of the migrations and stuff

**Kyp** · 10-08-2020, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Bender1999

I think there are maybe sources, but in archives and not for „ hobby historians“ like us. Aren’t Iranian well known for bureacracy, they definitely had some sources. I don’t know about historians in Iran, but i doubt there are any Turkish historian who follows up with them, although i know some who would make a good job regarding this topic.

There were some good scholars like Iraj Afshar Sistani.

Sometimes you can find worthreading papers in the field of Iranian studies.

Bender1999 · 10-08-2020, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

There were some good scholars like Iraj Afshar Sistani.

Those books which are available are unfortunately in Persian. And to be honest, those kind of books are very expensive, i mostly buy used books but i never find academic literature which are affordable. After Corona i maybe visit the library of my university, maybe i will find there some information(also about other topics).

**Kaazi** · 10-08-2020, 05:37 PM

Western Nepal Tibeto-Burmese
Kit M953347 Gurung
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 54.86
2 Southeast_Asian 15.72
3 South_Asian 14.36
4 Siberian 9.22
5 Gedrosia 4.78
6 North_European 0.75
7 Caucasus 0.31

Spoiler!

Kit XB8642061 Gurung
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 55.68
2 Southeast_Asian 15.65
3 South_Asian 13.94
4 Siberian 10.63
5 Gedrosia 3.4
6 East_African 0.33
7 Northwest_African 0.23
8 Atlantic_Med 0.15

Spoiler!

Kit BQ4203261 Gurung
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 56.75
2 Southeast_Asian 17.63
3 South_Asian 13.43
4 Siberian 8.29
5 Gedrosia 3.11
6 Sub_Saharan 0.65
7 East_African 0.13

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Central Nepal Tibeto-Burmese
Kit WX4535947 Lama (Tamang)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 55.27
2 Southeast_Asian 17.67
3 South_Asian 13.51
4 Siberian 9.84
5 Gedrosia 2.93
6 North_European 0.51
7 Sub_Saharan 0.22
8 Atlantic_Med 0.05

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Kit M051965 Lama (Tamang)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 58.94
2 Southeast_Asian 14.69
3 South_Asian 11.47
4 Siberian 10.52
5 Gedrosia 3.58
6 Caucasus 0.57
7 Northwest_African 0.21
8 East_African 0.01

Spoiler!

Eastern Nepal Tibeto-Burmese
Kit AF4263490 Rai
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 62.1
2 Southeast_Asian 18.61
3 Siberian 9.77
4 South_Asian 6.25
5 Gedrosia 1.85
6 Sub_Saharan 0.77
7 Caucasus 0.65

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Kit HY9950261 Rai
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 64.58
2 Southeast_Asian 18.83
3 Siberian 7.91
4 South_Asian 7.61
5 Sub_Saharan 0.84
6 North_European 0.17
7 East_African 0.06

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Kit JH7355083 Sherpa
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 62.05
2 Southeast_Asian 16.46
3 Siberian 11.83
4 South_Asian 7.41
5 Gedrosia 1.86
6 East_African 0.39

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Kit XW1456647 Yangchen (Sherpa)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 61.04
2 Southeast_Asian 15.11
3 Siberian 12.07
4 South_Asian 8.46
5 North_European 1.6
6 East_African 1.02
7 Caucasus 0.44
8 Gedrosia 0.26

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Kit PF1251761 Limbu
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 58.63
2 Southeast_Asian 20.07
3 Siberian 9.7
4 South_Asian 7.03
5 Gedrosia 2.81
6 Sub_Saharan 0.85
7 Northwest_African 0.81
8 North_European 0.08

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**Kaspias** · 10-08-2020, 07:09 PM

4/8 Ruse, Bulgaria. Turk.
2/8 Thessaloniki, Greece. Turk.
1/8 Kumanovo, N. Macedonia. Albanian.
1/8 Dobruja, Romania. Tatar.

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	27.49
2	North_European	23.39
3	Atlantic_Med	22.91
4	Gedrosia	10.63
5	Southwest_Asian	6.29
6	East_Asian	4.79
7	Siberian	3.51
8	Northwest_African	0.71
9	Sub_Saharan	0.27

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	O_Italian (Dodecad)	12.6
2	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	13.89
3	Greek (Dodecad)	14.23
4	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	14.87
5	Romanians (Behar)	14.88
6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	15.76
7	Tuscan (HGDP)	16.86
8	TSI30 (Metspalu)	17.33
9	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	17.81
10	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	18.08
11	Sicilian (Dodecad)	18.11
12	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	18.64
13	N_Italian (Dodecad)	19.16
14	North_Italian (HGDP)	21.85
15	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	22.84
16	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	23.06
17	Turkish (Dodecad)	23.42
18	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	24.27
19	Turks (Behar)	25.03
20	Hungarians (Behar)	26.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	59.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	40.5%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	4.25
2	 	62%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	38%	Orkney (1000Genomes)	@	4.4
3	 	61.2%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	38.8%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	4.4
4	 	59%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	41%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	4.42
5	 	58.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	41.9%	Kent (1000Genomes)	@	4.46
6	 	58.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	41.5%	English (Dodecad)	@	4.46
7	 	58.4%	Turks (Behar)	+	41.6%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	4.46
8	 	57.3%	Turks (Behar)	+	42.7%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	4.47
9	 	61.9%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	38.1%	Orcadian (HGDP)	@	4.48
10	 	60%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	40%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	4.49
11	 	60.1%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	39.9%	English (Dodecad)	@	4.49
12	 	61.8%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	38.2%	Irish (Dodecad)	@	4.53
13	 	54.8%	N_Italian (Dodecad)	+	45.2%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	4.54
14	 	57.6%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	42.4%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	@	4.55
15	 	59.8%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	40.2%	Kent (1000Genomes)	@	4.57
16	 	61.3%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	38.7%	Argyll (1000Genomes)	@	4.6
17	 	55.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	44.1%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	@	4.63
18	 	59.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	40.5%	British (Dodecad)	@	4.64
19	 	60.4%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.6%	Orkney (1000Genomes)	@	4.66
20	 	65.9%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	+	34.1%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	4.67

**Leto** · 10-08-2020, 07:46 PM

Northern Nepal looks 80-90% East Eurasian/Mongoloid.

**Leto** · 10-08-2020, 10:40 PM

Not new but interesting. Two Afghan siblings, I assume Tajiks

Gedrosia 31.10
Siberian 4.89
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.17
Atlantic_Med 2.66
North_European 14.97
South_Asian 16.84
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.89
East_Asian 9.23
Caucasus 18.08
Sub_Saharan 0.16

Distance to: Jason
5.57896944 Tajik_Kabul
9.58892590 Pashtun_Kandahar
10.20902052 Pamiri_Ishkashim
10.65721352 Tajik_Herat
10.99696776 Tajiks
11.26012433 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
11.52223069 Tajik_Tajikistan
11.77429828 Kho
11.94606630 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
11.95276119 Pashtun_Tarkalani

Target: Jason
Distance: 1.9391% / 1.93913960 | ADC: 0.25x
70.6 Tajik_Kabul
16.2 Pamiri_Ishkashim
9.6 Uzbeks
1.8 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal
1.0 Korean
0.8 Nogai

Target: Jason
Distance: 2.6857% / 2.68574127 | ADC: 0.5x
80.8 Tajik_Kabul
10.6 Uzbeks
8.6 Pamiri_Ishkashim

Gedrosia 31.21
Siberian 7.13
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.83
North_European 14.31
South_Asian 18.11
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.25
East_Asian 8.0
Caucasus 15.95
Sub_Saharan 0.19

Distance to: Marjan
6.14074914 Tajik_Kabul
10.56239556 Pashtun_Kandahar
10.63633395 Pamiri_Ishkashim
11.19814270 Kho
11.32254388 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
11.57635953 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
11.77526221 Pashtun_Tarkalani
12.14039126 Tajik_Herat
12.22479039 Pashtun_Yusafzai
12.31060518 Tajiks

Target: Marjan
Distance: 1.7933% / 1.79330401 | ADC: 0.25x
66.2 Tajik_Kabul
21.0 Pamiri_Ishkashim
6.6 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal
4.2 Altai
1.6 Dolgan
0.4 Burusho

Target: Marjan
Distance: 3.1301% / 3.13014104 | ADC: 0.5x
83.0 Tajik_Kabul
10.8 Pamiri_Ishkashim
5.4 Altai
0.8 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal

**Halgurd** · 10-09-2020, 08:42 AM

New Match

Kurd from Qamislo
Y-DNA: R-Z93

Unfortunately its a v5 chip so its using less than 50,000 SNPs.

Gedrosia 22.17 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.77 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.31 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.74 Pct
North_European 6.05 Pct
South_Asian 5.07 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.79 Pct
Caucasus 41.30 Pct
Sub_Saharan -